Most urban areas have have elected Democrats for 50 years. How has that worked out for blacks? LBJ, a Democrat, was the person who passed all the war on poverty crap that has indentured people. Democrats are blocking school choice and vouchers not Republicans.

The Republicans just need to do a better job selling why they are better for minorities because they are.

This is spot on. The idea that true fiscal conservatism or whatever the rhetoric, would kick ass without all the religious social noise is a joke. Guys like Rove and Murdock aren't stupid, you don't hitch your wagon to the social conservatives if you had other better options. Although this strategy seems to have been just enough to get gwb into the white house, I think it's all downhill from here on the national stage at least with the evolving demographics.

I bet if you polled social conservatives a string of questions that essentially implied; if they would accept western european socialism if it meant stopping gays and abortions, i bet most of them snap take that offer, enthusiastically.

Open primaries leave you vulnerable to getting trolled by activists voting for the weaker candidate to extend the primary. What they actually need is even more closed off primaries and more control over the whole nomination process. Like, the Wall Street money guys got to pick their candidate directly and also pick his platform and then just let the crazy base choose between Jon Huntsman or Chris Christie and the black guy, that might win.

They can't be giving people the opportunity to boo gay soldiers or throw peanuts at random black camera people. Absolute control of the brand.

Can you have a poll tax in primaries? I bet you can. Make it $500 a vote. That'll keep Jethro out of the caucuses.

If by "better", you mean "legislating away their votes, or causing them to count 3/5ths of their own", you'd be right.

What you're euphemistically labeling "school choice" is no more than funneling tax dollars to chuch-sponsored schools, so um yeah...if the Catholic Church (just as an example) wants to say their schools don't have to treat their employees like the rest of Americans, then no, they can't have any of my tax dollars.

What you call "indenturing people" is flat out incorrect. White flight to the suburbs, shipping manufacturing jobs to India and China, shutting down factories because you don't like the existence of a union, now those are good ways to keep a brother down. Don't see much of that happening via Democrats.

It speaks volumes that the most Republican states in the nation are far more reliant on government handouts than they are contributors.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ng-charts-maps

And if they first had to answer the question of what is western european socialism, before they could answer the second question, most of them would not even be able to complete the survey.

Black Republican vs White Democrat isnt some unknowable matchup. The racial difference compared to white vs white is 5-10%.

Herman Cain just isnt charismatic and he says all the wrong things to engage the black community. He and his family avoided the civil rights movement choosing to keep his head down, he talks about how black people are solely to blame for their higher unemployment and lower education stats and that there is no such thing as institutional racism in America.

On that 5-10% spread he would be on the low end. When I said he was generally disliked in the 2012 cycle I was not speculating, there was a point that he was polling in a matchup vs Obama worse than Mitt Romney just among black voters.

Mondo- Glenrice means indenturing black people by giving poor people food stamps. It's unclear why this doesn't indenture white people.

Attention poor black people: Republicans will be better for you by literally taking dinner off the table. Vote Palin/Cruz, where there absolutely will not be a chicken in every pot.

For the record this is why the Republican establishment knows they cannot even try to win over the black vote. Because the Republican base is like glenrice here and doesnt get why black people dont like Republican "sink or swim with a brick tied around your neck" policies.

Crazy black people that overwhelmingly work min wage paying jobs requiring food stamps and other welfare to keep afloat grinding it through life hoping to retire at a reasonable age to get at least half a decade on state pension before dying. Dont they realise how much better they would be if they were paid less, didnt get welfare to top up their earnings and they had no social safety net there for their end of life care.

That's why i said asked questions that "essentially implied" western european socialism; it's the obamacare effect where you ask people if they support obamacare and a lot say no, but it you ask the same people if they support the major things obamacare does without them knowing it's obamacare, most of those same people support those individual policies.

Like, in that story there's a little bit where Cain was joking that his Secret Service code name could be "Cornbread".

A racist white person might find that disarming and funny. A not racist white person will find it a little sad. A black person finds that **** infuriating.

C'mon Fly, you haven't been reading enough non-Krugman economists. Don't you know about the increasing marginal utility of money? Give money to poor people, and the poorer they are, the lazier they become. Give money to rich people, and the richer they are, the more productive they become. The inflection point is somewhere around $250k annual income.

Cain's new radio show is outstanding for some lunchtime derp.

Is Lunchtime Derp a country in Asia?

lol exactly

Maybe a dumb question here, do you think racist GOP voters enjoy being racist? Like, is being racist a pleasant experience for them?

You're confusing that with Lunchderpaderpaderpastanstan.

Well, a lot of posters in this forum enjoy the smug sense of superiority they get when they compare themselves to their imagined caricature of the welfare kings and queens.

They don't think they are racist. They've never said the N word (in public) and are generally polite to the less uppity sort of black person. Those are basically the two conditions.

And here, we have the actual average welfare recipient.

http://www.utexas.edu/depts/ic2/et/learner/general.html

A single mother in her 20s-30s, slightly liklier to be white than she is black, as likely to have completed high school as not, with three children or less (but usually, two children or less), and with recent work experience.

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Huh? Conservatives are pretty happy to acknowledge that is true. That's where the "popping out kids for that sweet welfare money" meme comes from.

Except a single mother in her 30s with two or less children isn't exactly popping them out.

This is exactly what they have NOT been doing.

Wookie- It would be horrifyingly unpleasant for a conservative to go to a single mother of 2 and tell her she's a leech to her face, that the state subsidizing her rent check is indenturing her into a plantation mindset.

Every actual poor person the conservative has in their extended family history was obviously just down on their luck. It's the fictional poor people of chain emails and "my cousin heard" that are the takers.

Dude, Mittens Q. RMoney could do that without even a hint of unpleasantness.

You remember that sick cripple he told he'd throw in jail, with a smile on his face?