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Old 11-13-2014, 06:53 PM   #176
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Re: The Tragic Death of Net Neutrality

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Lets say we completely removed government regulation from the picture. Can 100 companies just go and dig up the ground along the road, in front of my house, etc. and install their own wires?
It's pretty funny, still, that his "anti government" solution is, apparently, to have the Federal government "deregulate" local government land use controls.
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:11 PM   #177
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A genuine free market > Net Neutrality T2 > Do Nothing > Any bull**** "hybrid" Wheeler peddles
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:20 PM   #178
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ah, the free market: the only religion people can still believe in and not get laughed at
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:41 PM   #179
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FiOS mail finally arrived that my building is eligible for FiOS.

Very same day Time Warner mailings arrived offering me like 30 bucks for TV+phone+internet... even after fees that would cut my monthly bill by half.

Competition is a beautiful thing.

Spoiler:
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:42 PM   #180
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ah, the free market: the only religion people can still believe in and not get laughed at
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...as-god/306397/

Should be required reading.
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:49 PM   #181
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ah, the free market: the only religion people can still believe in and not get laughed at
the irony of this post in this thread is off the charts
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:51 PM   #182
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free market is the one that came up with the idea to throttle all this other stuff but it's the gov't fault? did I get that right?
"the free market" didn't come up with the idea to throttle content. Particular market participants (who, in this case, are massively shielded from competition by (in some cases decades-old) government regulations) came up with the idea.
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Old 11-13-2014, 11:57 PM   #183
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Speakest ye not against thine Savior The Market! Forthwith, the sins come verily from thine Devil, The State!

For shame! Question not the ways of The Market. It is pure, and holy, and unflenchingly perfect! It may err not! All True Evils are of The State-Devil!
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:18 AM   #184
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Old 11-14-2014, 04:16 AM   #185
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If you limit the maximum you can pay for 100 mbps to say $50. I still think you could still have innovation. There really is no competition, Time Warner owns the line and no one else is allowed in. Yes there is some competition from the phone line and satellite. But, generally I don't think these companies will go broke at $50 for 100 mbps and $0.10 per kilowatt hour. Thus if the companies can run a system for $11 per 100 mbps, they can keep the profit of $39. They might charge $30 for 10 mbps now.

It should also be against the law for providers to be involved in content. That way they don't have to worry about net neutrality. But overall the system is not running that badly. In fact cable and providers could be separated. As it is in the interest of these companies for you both to sign up for cable and tv and now even the phone. Thus, you can't get tv free over the internet yet. Site like ooma can replace voynage, the cable companies should not be allowed to be involved with voip.

what you want is if the long-term competitive market rate is $25 for 100 mbps, you want to allow them to keep $50 for 100 mbps thus to give them money to improve and if the union gets in there and they fail, then someone else can take them over. Or if they can only deliver at $30 per 100 mbps, they can still sell the comany to someone who could lower it to $25 or even lower.

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Old 11-14-2014, 10:26 AM   #186
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Are you actually like, trying to platonically divine the optimal price for intertubes?
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:10 AM   #187
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I bet the greedy teachers unions and Robert Reich are stealing mbps
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:56 PM   #188
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I bet the greedy teachers unions and Robert Reich are stealing mbps
They don't pay for any of it we do. They don't pay for property tax for their schools with 10 people doing the job of 1. They are probably hurt the economy because when the students get out it will take them a decade to prepare for the real world. Unless of course then end up in government.

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I am not defining the price I am picking a price with some profit. It might be better to divide the internet into 1000s of different companies which control a certain geographic area. The government would technically own the system, thus if system grows corrupt we can get fire the maintainers and get new ones in that rate higher.

How do you make a system free market if there are only one or two lines?
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:07 PM   #189
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FiOS mail finally arrived that my building is eligible for FiOS.

Very same day Time Warner mailings arrived offering me like 30 bucks for TV+phone+internet... even after fees that would cut my monthly bill by half.

Competition is a beautiful thing.

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Genuinely curious what channels you'd have gotten with that TV package and what Internet speed they were offering

I get similar mailings almost weekly from Brighthouse (and I've been a customer for like 5 years or more) and when I finally called and asked about it, it was like their ****tiest Internet speed and literally 13 channels

Oh and the offer was only available for "new" customers lol wtf do you keep mailing me this **** then?
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Old 11-14-2014, 10:38 PM   #190
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Had HBO and ESPN. Didn't look beyond that
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Old 11-15-2014, 10:12 AM   #191
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The FCC calling out AT&T on their fiber rollout hissy fit is pretty funny.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:36 PM   #192
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Lets say we completely removed government regulation from the picture. Can 100 companies just go and dig up the ground along the road, in front of my house, etc. and install their own wires?
Here is a proposal basically for that:

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/18/...ity-knockoffs/

Seems pretty good.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:52 PM   #193
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Yea that is pretty good
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:56 PM   #194
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Here is a proposal basically for that:

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/18/...ity-knockoffs/

Seems pretty good.
Definitely the best solution.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:48 PM   #195
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Re: The Tragic Death of Net Neutrality

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Here is a proposal basically for that:

http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/18/...ity-knockoffs/

Seems pretty good.
That seems like a good plan to help solve the problem with local monopolies, but I don't see how it solves the net neutrality issue. They are separate issues, unless you accept both of his apparent premises:

a) The current net neutrality proposal would create a monopoly.
b) Competition between providers would be enough to ensure that they follow net neutrality principles.

If either of those are false, then net neutrality regulations are still needed.
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Old 11-19-2014, 08:49 PM   #196
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Is there a law that mail carriers can't discriminate against companies?
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Old 11-20-2014, 09:27 AM   #197
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That seems like a good plan to help solve the problem with local monopolies, but I don't see how it solves the net neutrality issue. They are separate issues, unless you accept both of his apparent premises:

a) The current net neutrality proposal would create a monopoly.
b) Competition between providers would be enough to ensure that they follow net neutrality principles.

If either of those are false, then net neutrality regulations are still needed.
I'm not sure either of those premises are necessary. I think, to the extent NN can be defended at all, it's because many telecoms are not subject to effective competition. If there is competition, and some or all of the competitors don't follow NN principles, why should anyone care?
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Old 02-04-2015, 04:15 PM   #198
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FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has published an op-ed explaining how and why the FCC will "use its Title II authority to implement and enforce open internet protections." He says, "These enforceable, bright-line rules will ban paid prioritization, and the blocking and throttling of lawful content and services. I propose to fully apply—for the first time ever—those bright-line rules to mobile broadband. My proposal assures the rights of internet users to go where they want, when they want, and the rights of innovators to introduce new products without asking anyone's permission. ... To preserve incentives for broadband operators to invest in their networks, my proposal will modernize Title II, tailoring it for the 21st century, in order to provide returns necessary to construct competitive networks. For example, there will be no rate regulation, no tariffs, no last-mile unbundling. Over the last 21 years, the wireless industry has invested almost $300 billion under similar rules, proving that modernized Title II regulation can encourage investment and competition."
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:55 AM   #199
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An FCC commissioner's memo on the impact of the president's changes:

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...C-331907A1.pdf

Thoughts? Just a republican shill or are the points valid and likely outcomes of more government regulation of the internet?
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:39 AM   #200
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Either a shill or a rube that's internalized every made-up republican talking point ever

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Nope, shill was correct

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matth...ry_(politician)

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