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Old 02-11-2014, 01:27 PM   #51
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Still waiting for Verizon's explanation for this.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:41 PM   #52
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Tools like that should help. If we can't outspend these companies on buying politicians, then maybe we can have a ton of watchdogs out there educating the public at the first signs of douchebaggery.
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Old 02-11-2014, 02:57 PM   #53
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Watchdogs aren't much use when there's a monopoly.
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:44 PM   #54
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Still waiting for Verizon's explanation for this.
They don't need to explain it anymore. They are just prioritizing traffic.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:37 PM   #55
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Here’s a graphic from the WSJ showing how beginning in the early 1990s, dozens of cable companies merged and re-merged and narrowed down to four today: Time Warner Cable, Comcast, Charter and Cox. If this deal happens, four become three.

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Old 02-13-2014, 01:39 PM   #56
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They don't need to explain it anymore. They are just prioritizing traffic.
I don't think they included that snippet in their denial.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:47 PM   #57
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The combined company will almost certainly be operating under open internet principles if this deal is approved FWIW.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:08 PM   #58
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The combined company will almost certainly be operating under open internet principles if this deal is approved FWIW.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:16 PM   #59
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Comcast and Time Warner currently have the highest ISP market share for residential, which I am pretty sure is more than 1/3 of the market together. So obviously their merger will bear greatly on consequences of monopoly under non net neutrality. This merger should not be allowed to happen.

There is such a thing as the character of a company, even huge sprawling behemoth monstrosities like comcast have leadership that set a tone which might be different than other outfits in the same industry. And when it comes to corporate character Comcast is just the worst. From their anti-competitive practices to the way they treat their customers, they are just scum. I think that Comcast would have no qualms about being very active with throttling, not only to make money but also to sensor anything they perceive as a threat to their profits including political speech. This is just my intuition based on their past behavior.
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Old 02-13-2014, 02:19 PM   #60
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They can't. They are bound by the open internet rules that were just repealed as a result of their NBC/Universal transaction. Im pretty confident the DOJ and FCC will be extending the time period they are bound by open internet if they approve this transaction.
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Old 02-13-2014, 04:07 PM   #61
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The combined company will almost certainly be operating under open internet principles if this deal is approved FWIW.
Last summer, TWC and CBS couldn't reach an agreement on the latter's "retransmission consent" fee. These kinds of disagreements happen all the time.
It ended with CBS blacked out for millions of Time Warner Cable customers. For an entire month. The only thing that repaired the relationship was the onset of the NFL season.

A stalemate that long, though, proved to cable providers that they no longer have the leverage they once thought. And the quickest way to gain leverage is size.

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Old 02-13-2014, 04:41 PM   #62
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Correct, this gives them more leverage on retrans consent negotiations and that's a large factor behind the merger. Broadcast channels got pretty much zero in carriage fees until six or seven years ago and fees are increasing quickly, along with fees for sports programming.

What does that have to do with the post of mine you quoted?
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:02 PM   #63
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I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may incriminate me.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:00 PM   #64
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I don't think they included that snippet in their denial.
My point was that they don't have to provide an answer anymore. There is nothing they need to deny. Previously net neutrality was the reason you could go to a provider and ask why your traffic to A was much faster than your traffic to B. Now they can just ignore you or give a meaningless answer. The only option you have if you don't like the speeds you are seeing is to switch to a different provider.

This is also not just about making your own content provider faster than its competitors. They can also slow down or even block torrent downloads or something like the bitcoin network. I believe it was Verizon that tried to limit the amount of torrents by intentionally dropping packets and they were forced to stop that based on net neutrality.
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Here’s a graphic from the WSJ showing how beginning in the early 1990s, dozens of cable companies merged and re-merged and narrowed down to four today: Time Warner Cable, Comcast, Charter and Cox. If this deal happens, four become three.

I'm a mergers & acquisitions noob so maybe lolme but how did AT&T Broadband merge with both Charter AND Comcast? Adelphia also with both Comcast and Time Warner.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:43 PM   #66
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I'm a mergers & acquisitions noob so maybe lolme but how did AT&T Broadband merge with both Charter AND Comcast? Adelphia also with both Comcast and Time Warner.
I believe they were regional subdivisions.

Also, no kings were kings like the Adelphia family kings were kings
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:30 PM   #67
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They can't. They are bound by the open internet rules that were just repealed as a result of their NBC/Universal transaction. Im pretty confident the DOJ and FCC will be extending the time period they are bound by open internet if they approve this transaction.
Is there no possibility that their previous judgement is now voided by the latest ruling?

Why are you so confident that the FCC will be extending the time period of NN when the court just ruled they couldn't mandate NN?
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:30 AM   #68
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Its not voided its a condition of a consent decree with the DOJ.

Even if the merger is approved without conditions open internet rules apply through 2018. Given the FCCs still wants open internet rules and the court judgment has zero to do with consent decrees, seems like a logical merger condition to me.
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:39 PM   #69
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FCC plans to re-write net neutrality rules

Of course, Republicans want to stop them

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A showdown looms as the FCC announces bid to revive regulations recently struck down in federal court.

Republicans are not happy about the administration's plan to rewrite net-neutrality rules aimed at ensuring free and equal access to the Internet and will introduce a bill soon to block the effort.

The Federal Communications Commission announced Wednesday that it plans to reinstate rules that would restrict Internet providers from blocking websites or charging sites like Netflix an extra fee for faster service. The announcement comes one month after a federal court struck down the commission's net-neutrality rules but upheld its authority to regulate the Internet.

Ranking Republicans called the FCC's efforts to revive net-neutrality rules "a solution in search of a problem," and plan to fight any new rules. Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee will introduce legislation in the coming weeks to block what she calls the "socialistic" proposal.

"Federal control of the Internet will restrict our online freedom and leave Americans facing the same horrors that they have experienced with HealthCare.gov," Blackburn said in a statement.

Blackburn's bill will likely be more symbolic than substantive, as was a bill introduced by Democrats in early

February aimed at restoring net-neutrality rules. The Republican bill would not pass in the Senate, while the Democratic bill would never make it through the House. Rep. Anna Eshoo, author of the Democrats' bill, recently admitted the bill had no chance of passing.
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http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/21/tech...html?hpt=hp_t3

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Streaming speeds for Verizon FiOS customers dropped by 14% between December and January, according to Netflix. Meanwhile, Netflix speeds on most other Internet service providers held steady during that time period.

The slowdown comes amid a stand-off reported this week by The Wall Street Journal over whether broadband providers like Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) and AT&T (T, Fortune 500) will charge Netflix to carry its videos.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:59 PM   #72
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Apparently some of the issue is verizon refusing to upgrade network infrastructure to make netflix work better for their customers. Intentional, yes, but not the type of intentional people were thinking.

This made me wonder, could one make an app that rerouted network traffic over whatever slow noes there were between these customers and the netflix servers, like a basic sort of proxy for netflix only? Charge a monthly fee to cover bandwidth costs, that sort of thing.
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Re: The Tragic Death of Net Neutrality

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Apparently some of the issue is verizon refusing to upgrade network infrastructure to make netflix work better for their customers. Intentional, yes, but not the type of intentional people were thinking.

This made me wonder, could one make an app that rerouted network traffic over whatever slow noes there were between these customers and the netflix servers, like a basic sort of proxy for netflix only? Charge a monthly fee to cover bandwidth costs, that sort of thing.
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:18 PM   #74
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Apparently some of the issue is verizon refusing to upgrade network infrastructure to make netflix work better for their customers. Intentional, yes, but not the type of intentional people were thinking.

This made me wonder, could one make an app that rerouted network traffic over whatever slow noes there were between these customers and the netflix servers, like a basic sort of proxy for netflix only? Charge a monthly fee to cover bandwidth costs, that sort of thing.
Yeah it's not throttling and it's not clear to me that Verizon is entirely at fault, but I doubt it would happen in a truly competitive market. I wonder if there is a less expansive regulatory fix possible
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There used to be a law called the Fairness Doctrine that guaranteed the right of reply, without the presenter yelling at you to shut up every 15 seconds. It was allowed to expire late in the Reagan years, and urgently needs to be renewed.
What better tool is there for "opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible" than making sure they are allowed to be seen and heard in the first place?

And how about some enforcement of the laws guaranteeing that the public, not corporations, owns the airwaves.
Even the big corporate media barons should again be required to renew their FCC license to broadcast every five years, complete with public hearings.

Also do not think anyone should be allowed to graduate from high school until they pass a class on media literacy.



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