As I mentioned yesterday in Trump's America, it seems like the thread where we kind of sadly laugh (or else we'd cry) about the everyday racism acted upon by Trump supporters is not quite the right place to talk about something as serious as the rise of right-wing terrorists in this country.

Seems like this stuff isn't going away anytime soon. While some of these had their own threads, we've had, just during the Trump campaign + presidency:
- Charlottesville
- Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
- Charleston church shooting
- Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs
- the "whites don't kill whites" guy in Kentucky who tried to break into a black church before getting frustrated and murdering two black people in a Kroger parking lot instead
- the neo-Nazi who murdered a gay Jewish student in Orange County

And for reference, here's the thing from yesterday where some upstate NY dip****s were planning to bomb a Muslim community

And a bombing attack on a Kansas mosque, planned for the day after the 2016 election, that was thwarted; one guy's attorney literally argued "please go easy on him, he was a huge Trump supporter"

I'm sure I'm leaving plenty out that I've forgotten - help me fill in the gaps!

Can the first guy (the incel in Colorado) be labelled right-wing? I mean, I bet there's a very high chance he is, but misogyny alone might be at the root of his actions. The article you posted doesn't seem to reference his politics.
Also, I wonder if it's the case that these incel weirdos identify more with Trump's unabashed misogyny rather than the GOP as a whole i.e. would they support a supposedly left-wing misogynist over a not misogynist-GOPer?

Yeah, I kind of think one-of-these-is-not-like-the-other-ones with the incel guy. Unless you're lumping them all into a cavalcade of losers, in which case it fits. More to the point, I'd guess that for all of the other cases, if you were the first to inform a meeting of American Nazi types about them they'd cheer, but they'd disapprove of the incel guy.

Or not - I'm not super well informed on those guys, anyway.

MM MD

I think incel/MRA stuff (Rodger was an MRA) is generally right wing, and comes from a similar place as the right's war against contraception/abortion which seeks to punish women for sexual activity. You're probably right that they would support misogyny over ideology, but it's pretty clear in contemporary American politics which side the misogyny lives on.

Bleh, I think that's a terrible way to start the thread, with rightwing adjacent terrorism.

Yeah, I'd agree with your last line - but I suspect that if the tiki-torch brigade had run into a guy beating a woman they might have tried to stop it (aryan knights and all) as long as she was the appropriate pinkish color.

MM MD

Is Islamic terrorism generally right wing because sharia is a fascist ideology?

You're right, I've done a bad job by starting off this thread with this derail. I've asked the mods to remove incel content from the OP, as it's not materially important to this thread.

I mean I dunno if this fits, but

https://www.facebook.com/zephen.xave...0%3A1548281517

guy allegedly kills 5 people in Florida today and his likes are: random meme sites and Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, and he has one review, which is a 5 star review of Milo Yiannopoulos.

Edit: If mods delete I'm fine with it, also feels like I'm JAQing off a lot with this post.

Yeah probably. The trump-supporting domestic terrorists share a lot of similarities with Islamic terrorists overseas. uneducated young men with nothing going on in their lives angry at people for not thinking exactly like them.

Accused 'MAGA bomber' Cesar Sayoc slapped with 30-count indictment

The unhinged Florida man accused of mailing pipe bombs to President Trump’s political enemies was slapped with a new 30-count indictment Friday that potentially carries a life sentence.
The 25-page indictment in Manhattan Federal Court does not include new details about the allegations against Sayoc, but does hit him with an array of new charges tied to 16 improvised explosive devices prosecutors say he mailed to CNN, as well as prominent Democrats like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, ex-Vice President Joe Biden and former President Barack Obama.

#whentriggeringlibsgoeswrong

I also think that one part of this that is worth discussing is the less violent but more widespread right-wing terror tactic of doxxing or threatening to dox political opponents for speaking out against the far-right/alt-right/white nationalists.

I think there is currently a wide array of responses to this tactic, and I think each has some merits and some weaknesses, but I think handling this threat over the next few years is going to be somewhat important... while also keeping an eye out for this escalating from scare tactics into some of the examples of violent terror listed above in this thread.

Rodger was a Young Turks progressive. That is a bad example.

Here is the reality. Right wing violence is on the rise. And yet, it is still a rounding error. Right wing and left wing terrorism is almost non-existent in a country of 325 million people. Islamic terrorism still the biggest killer by far. https://www.cato.org/publications/co...ttacks-us-soil

It is funny no mention of a Bernie Sanders progressive shooting a congressman. Or no mention of all the sexual assaults during Occupy Wall Street. And there are no shortage of attacks on people wearing Trump hats. Historically left wing violence dwarfs right wing violence. Like a magnitude of 20-1. Just look at the 20th Century. Almost every example of political violence is left wing.

And if you want to talk about violence, here is a prison survey. 7 in 10 identify as Democrat. Only 9% identify as Republican. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/j...r-as-democrats So using random examples of crimes committed by Trump supporters is pretty disingenuous. Leftist policies breed violence.

Ummmmm.. That's joke right. Or a typo. Virtually every example of doxxing is from left. It was the left that doxxed McConnell, Paul, Lee and other Senators. Just this weekend, you had the nutjobs wanting to dox the Covington kids.

The first thing I think of when I hear the word doxxing is left wing terrorists.

The vast majority of politically motivated acts of violence were perpetrated by white racists railing against the civil rights movement. I suppose you are saying that most of those Klan members were democrats at the time and therefore were lefties?

But nahhhhh

Actually no. I am saying Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot alone killed far more than those on the right. Basically every ultra horrible person (minus Hitler who I don't consider on the right but will for the sake of argument) is a leftist.


The KKK were leftists. Calvin Coolidge and Warren Harding were two of the most conservative presidents in history. They wouldn't be Democrats today. Robert Taft was very far to the right. All three staunch supporters of Civil Rights. Woodrow Wilson and FDR were racists who are still revered by the left.

Yeah. 50 people. Right wing violence is on the rise but it may as well be zero.

Regulations kill far more people. The slow FDA approval process has killed tens of thousands and possibly up to millions of people. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kill-t...it-kills-again

You are worried about nothing. 50 people is a rounding error. Milton Friedman estimated drug laws killed ten thousand people a year in the late 80s.

I'm not super versed on Taft but:

50 people is a rounding error - rainbow

Wrong Taft. I was speaking of Mr. Conservative who was in Profiles in Courage for opposing Japanese concentration camps among other things. "Taft was the representative to speak in opposition to Japanese-American internment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Taft

No republican today would want him to speak against Japanese internment though if Pearl Harbor threat existed. Republicans today cheered Trump's idea of Muslim registries.