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11-25-2014 , 01:36 PM

#6951

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by rakeme

Brown's step-dad should be arrested

Why?

11-25-2014 , 01:36 PM

#6952

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Why?

Caught on camera yelling "burn this bitch down" to the rioters.

11-25-2014 , 01:37 PM

#6953

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Originally Posted by abseeker

+rep_lol

Yeah, it was pretty ignorant of me to point out that you didn't know what the word "looting" means.

loot
lo͞ot/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: looting
steal goods from (a place), typically during a war or riot.
"police confronted the rioters who were looting shops"
synonyms: plunder, pillage, despoil, ransack, sack, raid, rifle, rob, burgle, burglarize
"troops looted the cathedral"
steal (goods) in a war, riot, etc.
"tons of food aid awaiting distribution had been looted"

anything in there about personal use of said goods? no?

you're an idiot

11-25-2014 , 01:43 PM

#6954

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Not a lawyer, but a couple of people who identified as lawyers yesterday said double jeopardy doesn't apply to grand jury proceedings.

True, which is probably why the prosecutor wanted to explain the evidence and why he believes (right or wrong) that spending further resources is a waste of time.

11-25-2014 , 01:43 PM

#6955

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abseeker

Considering the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, if half the witnesses say one thing, half the other, how is there going to be a conviction?

Because some witnesses may not be credible. Juries don't actually have to take testimony that Brown was a hellbeast who got stronger with each bullet he absorbed at face value.

11-25-2014 , 01:48 PM

#6956

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

Notice the word "steal" which is to take something, and notice all of the synonyms for looting. No one stole anything in the Boston Tea Party. There was no looting. They destroyed the tea as a political statement. Then sometime later they even offered to pay for the tea, since the destruction itself was merely a symbol. You're wrong. Move on.

11-25-2014 , 01:49 PM

#6957

rjoefish

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I want to see a trial just so I can see a reenactment of a 5 year old grabbing Hulk Hogan.

11-25-2014 , 01:52 PM

#6958

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Originally Posted by rakeme

Caught on camera yelling "burn this bitch down" to the rioters.

Send it to the grand jury

11-25-2014 , 01:53 PM

#6959

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Originally Posted by domer2

you're playing semantics and being intentionally obtuse, but you're right that we should move on

11-25-2014 , 02:01 PM

#6960

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I think it's worth differentiating between the vandals burning and breaking, and those who are stealing for their own personal gain. The former are more likely frustrated and angry, lashing out at a system they see as rigged against them. Not a good look, but understandable. The latter are taking advantage of a terrible situation for personal gain. Worse, imo. Note there's more vandalism than looting.

11-25-2014 , 02:07 PM

#6961

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Yeah Brown lawyer coming off really, really well here.

11-25-2014 , 02:08 PM

#6962

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/728116...ons-story-side

I guess I should have clarified. I wasn't looking for another biased opinion piece.

11-25-2014 , 02:09 PM

#6963

MrWookie

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lol, ok.

11-25-2014 , 02:11 PM

#6964

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That was a good press conference. Im liking the fact that they said they did not condone the riots. I don't get how you can get so worked up over something if you didnt even know the family. Why start trouble?

11-25-2014 , 02:14 PM

#6965

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If you really read DW testimony and don't think "this sounds a tad unbelievable" and instead scream "bias!" I just don't know what to tell you. He literally said there was someone getting stronger every time he shot them.

11-25-2014 , 02:16 PM

#6966

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I thought it was a nice touch where DW explained how Brown tucked his hand into his waistband while charging.

11-25-2014 , 02:18 PM

#6967

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brushbackz

just because you weren't shot and killed by the police or don't personally know the brown family doesn't mean you automatically have no reason to be upset about the non-indictment, doesn't mean you've never been oppressed or marginalized by the justice system, doesn't mean you can't feel anger about the obvious bias in this particular grand jury process, etc

i'm not saying that it's cool to vandalize and loot and riot, i'm saying that it's an understandable reaction if you have the slightest bit of perspective and empathy

11-25-2014 , 02:19 PM

#6968

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brushbackz

Didn't condone the riots? Here's the step Dad:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MLlDzWt7TPc

11-25-2014 , 02:22 PM

#6969

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did you even watch the press conference (led by the family lawyer and al sharpton) that he's referring to?

11-25-2014 , 02:22 PM

#6970

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Haha like clockwork

11-25-2014 , 02:23 PM

#6971

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Strike-3

LOL the entire system was controled by the prosecutor. the jury without ever hearing a counter arguement said "nope this is BS"

Incorrect. This was not a typical one-sided presentation by a prosecutor seeking an indictment. Via Slate:

Quote:

McCullough[sic] set out to show that in the Wilson case the grand jury was indeed an independent body and that McCulloch was, rather than its overseer, merely its mouthpiece. Rather than frame the case and present carefully curated evidence designed to obtain the result the prosecution sought, McCulloch insisted that the grand jury presentation in the Wilson case would be “open.” That is, the prosecutors would present all the evidence, for every side, and would take no stand, nor play any role in the evaluation of that evidence.

More details here and in McCulloch's 10/31 press release.

11-25-2014 , 02:23 PM

#6972

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Originally Posted by domer2

ikes you should really give domah his account back this isn't funny br0

11-25-2014 , 02:25 PM

#6973

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

My favorite part of the article is where the author can't fathom a young black male telling the police to "**** off". I mean black youths NEVER tell the police to **** off, especially ones who just robbed a convenience store and assaulted a clerk.

11-25-2014 , 02:26 PM

#6974

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What's funny is most Americans thought the Boston Tea Party was petty vandalism. The British overreaction is what made it memorial at the time and turned public opinion against the British. Now, of course, we roll it all into a heroic act of defiance which was universally approved of by Americans.

11-25-2014 , 02:26 PM

#6975

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also is it just me or were other people unaware and surprised to learn that officer wilson is actually 6'4" and 220+ pounds?

5 year old and hulk hogan indeed

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