I am not surprised. Scammers routinely target older people.

Thing is though, me and you in our senility will be just as susceptible and I don't think this is a phenomena that will fade.

Isn't immigration and economy much the same issue?

The economy is big factor, whatever the exact mix is. And it's those folks who can be pried away from il Duce if the Dems would offer something better than war and bank deregulation.

Could be, I mentioned that as a possibility.

One thing I was really struck by during the Brexit campaign was how hamstrung the Remain camp was in countering the narrative that immigration was heavily impacting the QOL of John Smith in the UK.

The Remain camp could not really go hard in the paint that maybe why public services were feeling a bit strained was due to this thing called Austerity, the clue is in the name.

The PM and the Chancellor, two big hitters for Remain, actually had a vested interest in the its all immigrants fault narrative as it hid the truth of the pain their Austerity policies were causing.

So yeah these people happened the swing votes. But w/o the base of Boomers and perfectly well-off suburban racist anger bears like chiefsplanet, Lexington KY doesn't get to decide the election. They're just a sad story in a place that got left behind.

The rust belt swing voters are the big story here. But the rest of the GOP base consists of tons of very comfortable people who happen to be on the old side, kinda racist, or just hooked on FoxNews. It's way too easy to paint the entire Trump coalition as a down and out rust belter.

I can totally believe that, and it was the same with Brexit, there was a massive swath of angry working class vote for Brexit, but also a huge block of older traditional conservative middle class affluent support.

There is a wider point though, I dont know how its going down in USA, but plenty of Middle Class people in the UK have seen their deal deteriorate since 2008, sure they still have the nice house "good" job etc, but their purchasing power has declined and their pension has got worse, as has their sick pay and holiday entitlement.

These are all people that had become used to the idea that the deal got better and better not worse.

1. Fire EVERYONE in the DNC.
2. Bernie new head of DNC.
3. Run an actual progressive candidate in 2020, who fights to get money out of politics. Someone that people can actually get behind and be enthusiastic about voting for.

I saw on CNN pundits talking about Tim Kaine being next in line, LMAO. You want 4 more years of Trump?

If the market is allowing Apple to sell the new iPhone for $600 they are going to sell it for $600 regardless of whether it cost them $5 or $50 to make

Right? At least Mondale got there

Price of labor and goods is a big part of what determines pricing, though. It may not be as direct with a high end company like Apple, but it gives a baseline for lower-end phones which in turn set the price range for higher-end phones.

I think its pretty crazy to assume that is clear. It was a close election and the Dems are probably going to win the popular vote. Demographic changes alone in 4 years could turn this from an L to a W.

Voter suppression laws are probably coming to more states. We're likely to get a SCOTUS that is amenable to them. The demographic shifts mean squat if its hard/impossible for these people to get to the polls.

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No, no, no, no.

If anyone doesn't get what I'm talking about, check out this astonishing statement from Bernie:

and bobman has had a bunch of strong, accurate and very very smart takes in the last 24 hours

As the demographics move further away from a white majority and the country becomes more educated, the Democratic Party will make a comeback. This is simply a bump in the road. GOP supporters are due to die soon anyway

In 4 years Tulsi Gabbard will still be relatively inexperienced for POTUS, but not that much different than Obama in 2008 trading some lawyering for soldiering.

I wonder if you might be a little more concerned if you still lived here.

His supporters are due to die soon? He just got 48% of the vote.

It's not that they are dying off, it's that white people without college degrees are going to be a shrinking percentage of the population going forward.

LOL at the old people dying off and that causing things to change. People tend to get more conservative as they get older, so all these liberal millennials will change a lot over the next 40 years. Don't forget that all of these boomers everyone here hates so much and likes to accuse of being racist were flower children back in the 60's.

Most of my family lives in America. So yes, I am concerned but not panicky.

I think you're overstating things. It's hard to define 'benefited' but if "cheaper things" is your only metric, then yes. But people also like having jobs. having a productive output is a huge source of happiness and a contributes to a feeling of individual purpose. the labor participation rate has plummeted over time. (for males, granted. but that needs to be considered given female participation has fortunately skyrocketed over the decades.). generally happiness has remained stable over time. It's not as simple as cheap chinese production = good.