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12-28-2016 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Fundamentally, Hillary was a terrible candidate no one wanted. Russian interference and the right-wing bull**** industry didn't help.
Don't forget the FBI.
12-28-2016 , 11:19 PM
If the FBI doesn't politicize the election, Hillary wins. If Russia isn't interfering with the election, Hillary wins. If the media covers trump's actual FEC violations in the same way they cover the fake email story, Hillary wins.

She had too many things working against her that she couldn't do anything about.
12-28-2016 , 11:27 PM
Uh, guys, we're totally ****ed



Trump "announces" a plan to add jobs that Sprint announced back in April. And that's how the media covers it. Every time, they cover this **** as "President says X". You know how that plays to the cheap seats? ****ing Carrier was a trial balloon for this, if the media is going to headline this **** just because Trump said it he can totally move to just making **** up.

"Trump says economy great"

"Trump says ISIS defeated"

"Trump says crime under control"

and so forth, he gets preening straight news coverage of straight up propaganda. He's going to take personal credit for every factory that opens, every new technology, everything. And the media will give it to him. And we're, like I said, all ****ed. Because that's the straight news end. Fact checking is the partisan, opinion backend that nobody but politics junkies pay attention to, and the soft Fairness Doctrine means that CNN will always have some Trump slappy on there to say that actually Trump did cure cancer.
12-28-2016 , 11:32 PM
How are we going to run against him in 2018 if the media is literally going to operate as 5 different state-run propaganda organs? EVEN THE LIBERAL NBC admits that Trump got thousands of jobs to move back to the US! Trump faced down Boeing on the Air Force 1 project. He stood up to Carrier and made them keep their factory here. For ****'s sake when they repeal Obamacare he'll just say that people still have their health insurance.

Last edited by FlyWf; 12-28-2016 at 11:56 PM.
12-28-2016 , 11:43 PM
Concentrating on the positive campaign is always the main thing. If it's not enough for 2 years time or even 4 years time then that doesn't mean there's some better approach to winning elections.
12-28-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Uh, guys, we're totally ****ed



Trump "announces" a plan to add jobs that Sprint announced back in April. And that's how the media covers it. Every time, they cover this **** as "President says X". You know how that plays to the cheap seats? ****ing Carrier was a trial balloon for this, if the media is going to headline this **** just because Trump said it he can totally move to just making **** up.

"Trump says economy great"

"Trump says ISIS defeated"

"Trump says crime under control"

and so forth, he gets preening straight news coverage of straight up propaganda. He's going to take personal credit for every factory that opens, every new technology, everything. And the media will give it to him. And we're, like I said, all ****ed. Because that's the straight news end. Fact checking is the partisan, opinion backend that nobody but politics junkies pay attention to, and the soft Fairness Doctrine means that CNN will always have some Trump slappy on there to say that actually Trump did cure cancer.
Contact the station and the station manager. Tell them they ****ing suck in those words.
12-29-2016 , 12:03 AM
They are already getting plenty of rage in the Twitter thread. But I don't think it's correct to extrapolate a local TV affiliate as "the media". Maybe if the network did this.
12-29-2016 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
They are already getting plenty of rage in the Twitter thread. But I don't think it's correct to extrapolate a local TV affiliate as "the media". Maybe if the network did this.








I can go on and on.
12-29-2016 , 12:08 AM
Dont totally despair. It will get easier to pinpoint where he fails and **** up as things actually happen.
12-29-2016 , 12:09 AM
Again these are all about an announcement that Sprint made months ago.

Note this is how the media more fully reports it
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN14H1B8

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U.S. President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday said telecommunications group Sprint Corp (S.N) and a U.S. satellite company OneWeb will bring 8,000 jobs to the United States, and the companies said the positions were part of a previously disclosed pledge by Japan's SoftBank Group Corp.

So like, no indication that Trump is full of ****. This sort of "fact checking" actually just confirms Trump's story!
12-29-2016 , 12:51 AM
The media retweeting bull**** and being called out on it furthers the idea that they can't be trusted, which just adds more fuel to the post-fact wing that is actively seeking to destroy the entire concept of a fourth estate. We are so ****ed.
12-29-2016 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
If the FBI doesn't politicize the election, Hillary wins. If Russia isn't interfering with the election, Hillary wins. If the media covers trump's actual FEC violations in the same way they cover the fake email story, Hillary wins.

She had too many things working against her that she couldn't do anything about.
There were too many things working against her that she couldn't do anything about? Her opponent was Donald ******* Trump. All those things you listed just seem like the same type of excuses every losing campaign makes for why they didn't win. If only Hurricane Sandy did not happen in 2012, the results would have been totally different. If only the economy did not go into the ****ter in 2008, the results would have been totally different. If only John Kerry did not get swift boated in 2004, the results would have been totally different. Losing campaigns can make excuses every election.

If she would not have had a private server and deleted e-mails, there would not be any opportunity for the FBI to "politicize the election." That seems very much like something she could have controlled.

I have not a Trump backer by any means, but she lost because she was a terrible candidate.
12-29-2016 , 01:02 AM
Trump's son-in-law literally paid for product placement in the news and not just with one or two stations, but with Sinclair Broadcast Group, the largest television station owner in the US. Crazy Bernie was talking about the 6 companies who own 90% of the media. News departments lost their independence and report to advertising departments.

Someone needs to break all of this **** up, but when anyone talks like that at least half of the Democrats and most of the Republicans call them naive, crazy, radical, irresponsible, and of course that's the media's version of anyone who wants to break up conglomerates.
12-29-2016 , 01:02 AM
Well what do you expect them to do, try to make a determination about whether things are true or not? That's subjective bro, objective journalism just consists of reporting what people say.

Last edited by ChrisV; 12-29-2016 at 01:03 AM. Reason: Re Fly's posts, obv
12-29-2016 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Well what do you expect them to do, try to make a determination about whether things are true or not? That's subjective bro, objective journalism just consists of reporting what people say.
It's going to be pretty tilting when Trump lies and says that he found the cure for cancer, and the media matter-of-factly runs the headline "Trump Finds Cure For Cancer." Remember the Jordan Rules? I'd welcome some sort of Trump Rules from the media.
12-29-2016 , 01:19 AM
The horrifying thing is, companies will be lining up to do this. Look at the press Sprint got out of this. It's great for them.

You don't even have to create any jobs. You can even get rid of some and still get positive press. Let's say you want to move 5,000 jobs offshore. Announce you want to move 15,000. Nobody will take any notice. Then hook up with Trump, have a chat with him and announce the new number as 5,000. Headlines: Trump saves 10,000 jerbs!

Fast forward two years, unemployment will be completely flat and a Pew poll will reveal 75% of Americans think it is down bigly.
12-29-2016 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by True North
I saw more than my share of ads up here in Canada, and I don't remember seeing a single one that had any mention of what Hillary would do as President. It was a completely policy-free ad campaign.

The ads themselves were really memorable -- the ones with the children watching TV and the women reading misogynistic Trump quotes still stand out in my mind -- but there was nothing there besides "Trump is unfit/dangerous/a bad role model, vote for me". It should've been obvious at the time that someone with such huge negatives in the public view, whether they were deserved or not, should be running ads that highlighted her positives instead of just hammering her opponent's negatives and assuming that would be enough.
I still think some of this criticism is 20/20 hindsight. Hillary and her team were assuming like most rational people were that the things Trump said and did were totally disqualifying insomuch that people couldn't possibly vote for him. Asking them to think differently is like asking them to be a different person.

The reality is that in an election this close every single explanation as to why she lost is correct. The more helpful question in my mind is why was it ever that close to begin with.
12-29-2016 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Uh, guys, we're totally ****ed



Trump "announces" a plan to add jobs that Sprint announced back in April. And that's how the media covers it. Every time, they cover this **** as "President says X". You know how that plays to the cheap seats? ****ing Carrier was a trial balloon for this, if the media is going to headline this **** just because Trump said it he can totally move to just making **** up.

"Trump says economy great"

"Trump says ISIS defeated"

"Trump says crime under control"

and so forth, he gets preening straight news coverage of straight up propaganda. He's going to take personal credit for every factory that opens, every new technology, everything. And the media will give it to him. And we're, like I said, all ****ed. Because that's the straight news end. Fact checking is the partisan, opinion backend that nobody but politics junkies pay attention to, and the soft Fairness Doctrine means that CNN will always have some Trump slappy on there to say that actually Trump did cure cancer.


You are killing it and also making me scared.
12-29-2016 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
The media retweeting bull**** and being called out on it furthers the idea that they can't be trusted, which just adds more fuel to the post-fact wing that is actively seeking to destroy the entire concept of a fourth estate. We are so ****ed.
cnn "pundit" michael wolff was recently interviewed and made the corporate narrative clear:

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“I thought these people have won an election, so now is the time to go in and say who are you and what do you think. We are not in an oppositional moment right now; that has passed. I actually asked very few questions. I said tell me who you are. He talked and I took notes. Yes, you do want to be stenographers. That’s a very significant piece of journalism. We don’t want to hear [the reporter]. Write it down. You’re there to literally convey what someone in power says, and you bring it to people who want to know. Journalism is now a profession filled with people who are not journalists. They’re all under 25, talking to people under the age of 25. Let me send the message: stenographer is what you’re supposed to be.
12-29-2016 , 08:01 AM
Holy ****.
12-29-2016 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Biesterfield
I still think some of this criticism is 20/20 hindsight. Hillary and her team were assuming like most rational people were that the things Trump said and did were totally disqualifying insomuch that people couldn't possibly vote for him. Asking them to think differently is like asking them to be a different person.

The reality is that in an election this close every single explanation as to why she lost is correct. The more helpful question in my mind is why was it ever that close to begin with.
She was a terrible candidate with 30 years of baggage. Neither of them had favorable ratings, he just put forth an optimistic plan for job creation (I'm not saying it's going to happen).
12-29-2016 , 10:19 AM
raradevils... is right?
12-29-2016 , 11:54 AM
Are there odds on Obama recess-appointing Garland or is he just done at this point?
12-29-2016 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Trump "announces" a plan to add jobs that Sprint announced back in April.
April 2015, for clarity
12-29-2016 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
raradevils... is right?
Well, trump didn't put any plans forth, just catch phrases

      
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