Are you still pretending to not be a known poster using a new account? Because if so, that's a pretty big slip.

Hey, real right wingers loved the no fly zone! Particularly 5 years ago when it would have made a difference.

You must have missed the memo. The Republican party wants to be superfriends with Russia now.

Me, Lindsey and John are holding out but it is a sad state of affairs for sure.

Is it smart for trump to try to start WW3 with the Chinese over a freaking science probe?

I'm just gonna stop you right there and say no

i've seen a lot of blame being thrown around but something that rarely gets mentioned is the fact that after hillary won the primary, she made little to no effort either personally or publicly to honestly reach out to the sanders wing of the party (inb4 dem party platform tho).

even today i still don't know if she either did not want the support, or felt that she could win without it, but her hubris became pretty transparent. looking back upon all the times she was surrounded by supporters holding her campaign signs everywhere she went, it's hard to believe she never was able to grasp what "stronger together" actually meant.

and btw microbet thanks for posting the bernie bird video a few pages back, amidst all the negativity these past months i'd forgotten about probably the best moment of this entire election.

She tried to connect with younger voters which was a significant part of Sanders supporters.

wasting your time seattle, we're at that point in the postmortem where we all just invent alternate realities and pretend they actually happened

it's a lot like before the election, tbh

lol wagsat already got the one-touch ban hammer

Yeah, they brought out Jay-Z ad Beyonce ffs. That they ignored the youth is pretty lol. They didn't vote all that much, because they hardly ever do, but they were certainly pandered to. Alot of Bernie supporters just seem to want to be pandered to as reality denying morons, which is tough against Trump.

Chance, pusha and other celebs did ads or gotv efforts as well.

In Brooklyn if they weren't fired up enough to register the previous October they weren't allowed to vote for him.

She had a difficult road to travel trying to simultaneously court Bernie's supporters and SeattleLou. and yw.

Sure didn't help that stein was literally making trump's argument for him the entire time.

The Dem mentality that it is so and so's "turn" is really awful. Hillary was a terrible candidate and everyone knew it, yet she ran unopposed because people were scared.

It's incredibly stupid to be registered as an Independent in a state like NY with closed primaries. Or not registered at all.

Hell, the October deadline meant they had 4 full months worth of Trump insanity having already occurred that should've convinced them to go register as Dems solely to have a say in stopping him, even if they hadn't made up their minds yet on Hildawg versus Larry David.

Good point. It was totally Obama's "turn" to win in 2008.

The old adage is that Dems fall in love, republicans fall in line.

I thought it was supposed to be Hillary and she got bested in the primary by the upstart.

Jeb would like you to clap for the death of that old adage.

Actually she did face opposition.

Not hard enough. Putting Tim Kaine on the ticket was ridiculous. What did Tim Kaine actually bring to her campaign that was significant? Virginia? Nah she didn't need him to win Virginia. Catholics? Nah he wasn't going to sway many Catholics that were persuadable. Tim Kaine's legislative record? C'mon. Tim Kaine as former DNC chairman? Puhleeze!

Putting Bernie on the ticket was seemingly the obvious way to connect with younger voters that supported Sanders.

It seemed pretty obvious to me to just put Bernie as the VP. I think Hillary surrounds herself with some people that are terrible at their job.

bear with me here, but maybe young people (or at least the type who actually have any chance at voting) aren't actually convinced to vote for a candidate because lena dunham tells them too

there is plenty of discussion to be had about how a more extreme economic message and antiwarmongering message (which bernie basically sucked at btw and i think was a huge campaign mistake of his- his foreign policy answers were largely clueless and seems like something he could have worked on more)- which many young people support- might not have worked because of the fact that young people just don't make up that big of a voting bloc and it could have alienated other democratic voters. but i don't think pointing out that jayz and beyonce campaigned for hillary or whatever is anything other than insulting to young people if that was expected to just get them out

I was just pointing out that she certainly did not ignore young voters. And as far as I can tell, only conservatives were insulted by Jay-Z, Beyonce, going on Between the Ferns and all the other obvious youth outreach. Its just really, really hard to get people to vote who have a favorable view of Obama (and were motivated enough to keep Mitt out of office) but not Hillary (and less concerned about Trump). Only something ultra shallow has any chance of working on these folks.