The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 51 - Politics and Economics

The Democratic party is going to be fine. The party and voters voted for a candidate that is legitimately hated by more than half of the population and had no big group of die hard support. When the presidential candidate is **** all the other dems down the ballot are also going to do bad because less people are going to come out to vote. This is entirely Clinton's fault and she should be blamed for this.

Hillary wasn't magically imposed to the Democratic Party which was forced to deal with this horrible candidate, they actively pushed her and moved their entire machinery in spite of the fact that the other candidate had better polling numbers against Trump.
That's a pretty big structural problem if you ask me.

11-26-2016 , 05:39 PM

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The Packers and the Jaguars are exactly the same right? Anyone that tries to argue otherwise is just a stupid fanboy trying to score points.

Point taken, my bad, I was too ambiguous and apparently allowed you to think I was making the argument that the teams were identical.

I should have said "Go Nittany Lions"

11-26-2016 , 06:20 PM

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bernie was a terrible candidate too and would only have been marginally better/worse. plus they didnt really do much to him.

the mistake was discouraging everyone else (biden, warren et al) from running against clinton.

11-26-2016 , 06:45 PM

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I'm reminded of the story from six months ago or whatever that 60% of social media links are shared without being read. People just share the headlines. That is so weird to me, like will anyone ITT admit to having done this? Not looking to attack people, just curious.

If Zuckerberg had any balls, Facebook would do something about this. I honestly think the best solution would be to be like "yep, cool, shared that ****" and then just not share it, or only show it to a small number of people. There'd probably be a ****storm if people found out they were doing it though.

This explains the increasingly terrible headlines written even on good news cites. The sad/funny thing is if you go to the author's twitter account people will roast them over the headline, having clearly not read the piece, and the author is all "not my headline." Good job, fantastic. LOL humans.

11-26-2016 , 07:07 PM

#1255

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Probably? Not really the point though.

Yeah, your point was that anti-racist is code for anti-white. We get it. You really just have the one trick, and it's not even YOUR trick. "deeply reactionary guy uses logic to own the dang libtards" is all over reddit and twitter.

11-26-2016 , 07:46 PM

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One thing we can do right now is act and try to help win this one Senate seat in Louisiana. Every seat counts right now.

A novel idea, but unfortunately, looks to be drawing dead. 58%-35% in a post-election poll in favor of the R candidate a week ago.

11-26-2016 , 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Point taken, my bad, I was too ambiguous and apparently allowed you to think I was making the argument that the teams were identical.

I should have said "Go Nittany Lions"

When Blake Bortles throws it over the head of his receiver on 3rd and 7 and people laugh and criticize his passing, do you then note that Aaron Rodgers also sometimes throws incomplete passes on 3rd down and say "see he does it too! why aren't y'all attacking him?" ?

11-26-2016 , 08:09 PM

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While this is true, it seems like the party is taking steps toward fixing the problems with the party management.

11-26-2016 , 08:17 PM

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I'm not sure how I could make it more clear that the analogy is not about the on-field performance of the teams.

But in your scenario, I suppose it would depend on, if after Bortles overthrew it, the Packers fans went on and on about how that shows you just how ****ing pathetic the Jaguars organization is, how pathetic Jaguars fans are, and nothing like that would ever happen to the Packers because they are just better people. If 5 minutes after that, Rodgers made an identical throw, then no, I wouldn't say "see he does it too! why arent yall attacking him?"

I'd say "Go Packers."

11-26-2016 , 08:18 PM

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Except in this scenario, the Bortles overthrow was in practice on a Wednesday and the Rodgers overthrow was in the Super Bowl

11-26-2016 , 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by plzd0nate

I agree with this pretty much and you were doing fine until this:

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This is entirely Clinton's fault and she should be blamed for this.

No way is this true.

11-26-2016 , 08:26 PM

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I would rather have a strong GOP that accepts climate science and civil rights than a weak one that doesn't.

Bold prediction, federal govt funding for research related to climate science will continue at current levels at least, probably increase during the TRUMP administration/Repub dominated Congress. Nothing in current civil rights law gets dialed back, DOJ enforces civil rights related law in the TRUMP administration.

11-26-2016 , 09:52 PM

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- So when TRUMP says he wants to ban NASA from engaging in "politicized" science like climate research, you think it's an empty threat?
- Does "civil rights law" include things like Muslim bans? How about voting rights? And you expect the Jeff Sessions DOJ to be an effective protector of civil rights law?

Suffice to say I think your bold predictions are a bit too bold for this reality.

11-26-2016 , 10:12 PM

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I got you as very likely wrong on the first count and probably correct on the second.

Research related to climate science isn't really the point though, the point is what action is taken to attempt to mitigate it.

11-26-2016 , 10:19 PM

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I hope Trump doesn't reverse all the progress (aka do nothing feel good symbolism) the NWO left has made on climate change. The horror

11-26-2016 , 10:22 PM

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I hope Trump doesn't reverse all the progress (aka do nothing feel good symbolism) the NWO left has made on climate change. The horror

The casual way that right winger attack liberals from the left when it suits them really speaks to just how profoundly we've been beaten on the messaging front.

Not that we should be able to convert Losing All, I don't mean that, but that he feels comfortable attacking Obama's "NWO left" for... not doing enough... to battle a Chinese hoax?

11-26-2016 , 10:26 PM

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I've become a strong believer. I'm not blaming Obama either, It's all too late and no one can stop it. My point was to stop worrying about Trump breaking what is already in 1000 pieces.

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11-26-2016 , 10:31 PM

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Losing all's probably at the fore of the GOP's new party line: well we guess climate change is real now, but it's too late, so don't bother wasting money trying to stop it. Deregulate til Armageddon!

11-26-2016 , 10:33 PM

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It's amazing how a profound change in belief results in a zero change in desired policy. It's almost as if they choose the policy they like and their beliefs are actually irrelevant. But no, that can't be.

11-26-2016 , 10:40 PM

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I keep my AC at 80/heat 65, that's more than your heroes have done.

11-26-2016 , 10:46 PM

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Who are my heroes and how do you know their thermostat settings?

11-26-2016 , 10:47 PM

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Losing all's probably at the fore of the GOP's new party line: well we guess climate change is real now, but it's too late, so don't bother wasting money trying to stop it. Deregulate til Armageddon!

Have been expecting this for a while. Dennis Prager will probably write a piece on NRO about how we're failing at the stewardship of God's creation and this is the fault of librul secularism.

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I keep my AC at 80/heat 65, that's more than your heroes have done.

Seems like an odd thing to do considering it's all too late and nobody can stop it.

11-26-2016 , 10:49 PM

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That Hillary couldn't win with these numbers, that the downballot Ds continued to get destroyed, really speaks to how profoundly broken the neoliberal centrist messaging is. These people WANT TO ELECT DEMOCRATS, for ****'s sake, but the DNC is too busy trying to get David Brooks onboard.