a guy with literally no experience just won the presidency

there is no more "too fresh to run" argument. My local dog catcher is apparently qualified to be president

I've already declared my candidacy

"Deplorables" was a WOAT campaign move, and it almost certainly cost her the election. You don't get white women in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. to vote for you by calling them and their families irredeemable *******s.

Bernard, at least, would not have made this blunder. Hillary herself almost certainly suppressed youth turnout. The Obama coalition tried to tell you in the primary, but the "coronation" was on. They were enthused for Obama, but not for the zero message bull**** that Clinton has peddled the entire race.

Maybe the Dems can get some young good looking white guy who doesn't insult Grandma. That guy who lost the Senate race is MO would be worth a look, imo. You need to bleed Trumps coalition NOW for 2020, or two terms is donezo.

None of this speaks to Dems who just did not bother to vote because they saw HC as such an establishment stooge.

I cant remember what state it was, but Trump had only put 100K on the number Romney achieved but HC had dropped the Dem vote by ~500K.

I think there has to be some takeaway from the fact that we all laughed at the the repubs for nominating a risky non main stream candidate, we all laughed at the death of the republican party, we all laughed at Trumps 5% election equity.

Now Trump is president, and the usual suspects seem to be all ready lining up to say hey next time the democrats had better not select an "unelectable" non mainstream candidate.

what was bernie's message, exactly? I know trump's, I know clinton's. What was his theme that held together his candidacy?

Expanding the mother ****ing welfare state you nimrod.

And he would also have the benefit of getting to tell everyone he wasn't Trump. The problem with Hillary is that they didn't care.

Bernie "Expand the mother ****ing welfare state you nimrod" Sanders?

I don't recall that one.

What do you think free college, an increased minimum wage, etc. are?

The most obvious criticism of Bernie that I can think of is that he was so singularly focused on one idea that he couldn't always speak well on other issues. So if you don't know what Bernie's message was, I feel like that says more about your focus than Bernie's.

His message was economic populism: take back Washington from the Billionaire class (i.e anti-Citizen's united and etc), tax the wealthy, rein in the banks, expand government services...

This is a very good post. I agree with the vast majority of it.

Social welfare and the willingness to meaningfully build bridges would've swayed enough in the Midwest. She took Trump's white nationalism and turned it into an asset. I've got a feeling the Bern campaign would've made it a net negative to him on election day.

I'm not saying "don't nominate Bernie". I'm saying "don't act like Bernie had this in the bag". Like, take your example state where HRC lost 500k votes vs. Obama 2012. Bernie couldn't turn out enough Democrats in the primary to vote for him over Hillary, why does he suddenly turn out more Democrats in the general?

Maybe he does, but nobody should act like it's a given.

My posts are mostly directed at the sentiment of one angry gentleman that isn't even posting ITT, so maybe this is misplaced.

During the nom process all you liberals and the liberal media was saying how divided and torn the republican party was.

then, the RNC, they all eventually backed trump, even the high officials who hated him.


on the other hand you had a DNC trying to tilt the scales and at times almost rig it against bernie so they could get HRC, their prized possession, a run to the white house.

Dems have to regroup here in the next couple months because with red in the oval office, house and senate, they gotta try to defend what they can for the next 1.5-2 years

Dude he campaigned hard for Bernie. He's invested. Cut him some slack. We all ****ing lost, and in a very big way. If the Repubs go nuclear with the judicial filibuster we could end up with three justices who are opposed to the civil rights act within one term.

i felt he had a good message.

to me it was anti-establishment. through and ****ing throug. which si why he was popular with the young crowd. he was against the status quo and didnt have any ties to washington and banks.


that was his biggest pitch and that def resonated with a lot of his voters

Exposed rigged primary system had nothing to do with voter apathy on the dem side?

Perception that government has gotten way over the top enacting ridiculous stuff like o-care, along with dem apathy that they only could support a failure of a candidate were the 2 biggest reasons dems lost.

In the last three presidential election cycles, the democrats have been running better campaigns. They are strong.....formidable actually.

If the democrats stopped trying to figure out how to get the electorate to swallow their platform and instead built their platform around what the people actually want, they would win.

Long experience in elective office is what makes these politicians unable to think outside the box.

Trump has tons of experience in the real world at a high level. The last non-politician without elective office experience but real world experience at a high level was Ike and he did quite well.

With honest DNC + super PAC support Sanders would easily have won the swing states Hillary lost, except perhaps Ohio.

But Hillary was calling the shots so it doesn't matter.

Him and TRUMP were surging and they both had the "anti-establishment" train going for them.


I think its really close but I actually would agree that bernie beats Trump in a narrow win. bernie wins MI and WI at least

I could see PA feeling the Bern, too. Metro Philly might've dug it.

Right, so huge overlap with Trump who also has large demographic advantages on who that message resonates with (non college whites).

They want to compromise even more. Paul Ryan for the Democratic nomination in 2020.

No no john McCain haven't you been paying attention

DNC philosophy is to get their advantage baked in with the demos. Their message is mostly irrelevant, but is fine tuned if necessary to polarize against their opponents. If they get any reasonable turnout they theoretically should win every time.

That model has worked for some time, but now with their inner workings exposed, along with a less trusting electorate, time for a reset.