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like this is basically one of two things imo. evidence of him being corrupted/co-opted (meh, im not big on that theory), or evidence of poor political instincts in thinking that this will somehow be a shield against republican attacks that he's pro-palestine/anti-israel or whatever. which of course it won't be, and this is a terrible way to demonstrate that you have foreign policy chops or w/e....

think i'm gonna send him an email later today and try to get some answers about this. smh doe

11-27-2018 , 10:12 AM

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master3004

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Man those replies. Dude done ****ed up

11-27-2018 , 10:26 AM

#7553

+rep_lol

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hmmm

i looked at that tweet a couple hours ago and it was getting ratio'd unbelievably hard. maybe 60 "likes" and over 600 comments. now all of a sudden we're at about 700/700? i call bull****.

11-27-2018 , 10:50 AM

#7554

TrollyWantACracker

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Lol at you turncoats. It's not like the dude is getting any shorter.

11-27-2018 , 10:54 AM

#7555

Namath12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

hmmm

i looked at that tweet a couple hours ago and it was getting ratio'd unbelievably hard. maybe 60 "likes" and over 600 comments. now all of a sudden we're at about 700/700? i call bull****.

Maybe Bibi issued a CALL TO ACTION like he did in 2015 during the election ("OMGZ the Arabs are voting!") and those are Likud Likes

11-27-2018 , 11:03 AM

#7556

master3004

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I know some of the words in that sentence, but it makes absolutely zero sense to me

11-27-2018 , 11:10 AM

#7557

+rep_lol

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"maybe bibi sent a bunch of troll accounts over (like he's done before) to prop up the post with a ton of "likes" so as to avoid the appearance of getting ratio'd because beto is actually a wolf in sheep's clothing"

it's a real possibility to consider.

to get ratio'd = to have way more comments/responses to your tweet than "likes", indicating that whatever you've said is deeply unpopular.

11-27-2018 , 12:08 PM

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gregorio

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Here are the Top 20 recipients of Pro Israel contributions

And look who's #1 from Oil and Gas

11-27-2018 , 12:11 PM

#7559

jt217

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

Isn't the much simpler explanation that he's just pro-israel? Or at least that he doesn't exactly care about palestinians? The guy isn't really a lefty, that's been clear from the start.

11-27-2018 , 12:12 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Any realistic 2020 candidate is going to be pro-Israel, I don’t think that should be a autodisqualifier.

11-27-2018 , 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

I know some of the words in that sentence, but it makes absolutely zero sense to me

Bibi aka Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli PM, ran for re-election in 2015. Returns were coming in while polls were still open and it was looking like Bibi might lose, so he freaked the **** out and did a racism to scare his supporters to the polls (he eventually won).

It was a reference to that.

11-27-2018 , 12:24 PM

#7562

master3004

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

What's a bibi?

Edit: nm, answered above

11-27-2018 , 12:24 PM

#7563

tomdemaine

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Isn't it so strange that a random country has roughly the same lobbying efforts and expenditure as the oil and gas industry? Is there a pro uk lobby donating millions upon millions to us politicians?

11-27-2018 , 12:36 PM

#7564

eyebooger

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What exactly qualifies as "Pro-Israel contributions"?

11-27-2018 , 12:49 PM

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synth_floyd

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I think the Arabs in Israel are treated like Blacks in America. Legally they are equal but socially and economically are 2nd class citizens.

11-27-2018 , 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

What exactly qualifies as "Pro-Israel contributions"?

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Few lobbies dedicated to international issues are so active and well-fincanced as the Israel lobby. The question of Israel's future has the right mix to attract monied interests -- it's a highly fractious issue with high stakes and it plays a big role in domestic politics.

A powerful pro-Israel force has carved out an influential place in American campaigns in the form of super PAC megadonor Sheldon Adelson. Adelson doled out a whopping $92.8 million to Republican super PACs in 2012, making him the single highest contributor to outside groups that year.

A national network of political action committees supplies much of the pro-Israel money in American politics. Chief among these donors' goals: To support Israeli policy, especially towards its neighbors. That's the Israel lobby's legacy; the movement to institute a Jewish state began with the political influence of Zionists like Louis Brandeis.

The pro-Israel lobby also works to build stronger bilateral relations and to garner American military and economic support for Israel. The financial relationship between the United States and Israel has become increasingly integrated since the 1985 bilateral Free Trade Agreement, the first FTA ever signed by the United States.

AIPAC is the face of pro-Israel political influence, and it supports a two-state solution. Despite its name, it does not make campaign contributions. But pro-Israel entities spent $3.8 million on lobbying in 2013, and AIPAC accounted for roughtly $3 million of that figure.

Among the more sweeping bills that the pro-Israel lobby backed in 2013 was the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act. AIPAC was the signature supporter. The bill would have erased the process of getting an American visa for Israeli citizens. Conversely, the U.S. still has concerns about Israel's practice of scrutinizing Palestinian Americans more thoroughly before allowing them entry.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=Q05

11-27-2018 , 04:45 PM

#7567

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Any realistic 2020 candidate is going to be pro-Israel, I don’t think that should be a autodisqualifier.

They don't have to be big financial recipients and not of the fossil fuel industry either. Not taking corporate, super-pac, lobby money isn't an auto-first choice imo, but I think anyone who does that for the Dems is likely to be on the right side of most things so it essentially moves someone to the top for me.

11-27-2018 , 06:21 PM

#7568

champstark

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Not sure who you guys thought Beto was. None of this is surprising.

He's a Democrat from Texas FFS, don't know what you expected.

11-27-2018 , 11:02 PM

#7569

aarono2690

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

I think the Arabs in Israel are treated like Blacks in America. Legally they are equal but socially and economically are 2nd class citizens.

Eh blacks are treated like blacks. When I was in Israel I was commonly told black Ethipioans got the worst of it.

11-28-2018 , 01:11 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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He's a Democrat from Texas FFS

And that's a positive takeaway for me. We have a Dem from Texas and y'all are worried he's too pro-Israel, like ARE YOU KIDDING ME. FFS, a competitive Dem in Texas would normally be a rootin', tootin' pro gun deplorable-lite assclown, it's astonishing that a centrist dem was able to compete here.

11-28-2018 , 07:56 AM

#7571

champstark

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Ok, but why are we going crazy supporting a centrist Dem? In a Texas race, sure, but for President? We have better options.

11-28-2018 , 08:04 AM

#7572

+rep_lol

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because hes not actually a centrist, you guys just like to call him that

11-28-2018 , 10:09 AM

#7573

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by +rep_lol

because hes not actually a centrist, you guys just like to call him that

This isn't perfect, but his voting record over the last two years says otherwise:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...p-score/house/

11-28-2018 , 10:37 AM

#7574

markksman

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Originally Posted by gregorio

Here are the Top 20 recipients of Pro Israel contributions

And look who's #1 from Oil and Gas

Curious what those numbers reflect. Since he raised more money than anyone running for the senate ever, does it include those monies? If so it’s pretty meh. If it is just money he raised when running for the house, which by the way is his job now.

I think people might be getting a little carried away with O’Rourke here. He is in Congress. Do we think Congress members only meet with people they agree with and wholly support? (No obviously only those who pay them mucho dinero)

11-28-2018 , 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by champstark

This isn't perfect, but his voting record over the last two years says otherwise:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...p-score/house/

35 Democrats voted more with Trump policies than O’Rourke and another twenty were essentially at the same level.

Not sure what a “Trump Position” is for this anyways. Trump only has like three real positions on anything.

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