The point is that the Elites seem just as shook by Brexit and Trump.

If they dont like it they need to reconfigure the social contract and start giving up a bigger share of their pie.

They have ****ing plenty of pie to go round.

I guess it depends if we can find a youthful candidate who is as charismatic as Obama and makes it clear via their platform that income equality is an important issue that needs to be addressed in a way where the divide in Sanders' left leaning voters and voters who are centrist can be fixed.

Obama is gonna leave with close to record high favorability though.

But that's close to the opposite of Trumps platform.

I think this is wrong. The Trump voters want more benefits.

Very much this. It should serve as a wake-up call to the two-party establishment system.

They both will probably ignore it though.

Yea obviously, but Trump voters are not aware of the social conditions that create them or they would not be Trump voters, its a truism.

The point is that Elites only need give up a relatively small share of their pie to remove/mitigate those conditions.

Trump on the other hand would be dumb to actually do anything that stopped people being angry and willing to fall in line with a fairer status quo/consensus.

I do worry about huge deficits which I think is likely.

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Get ready to hear the words 'chauvinistic welfare' a lot.

How big of a slice of the pie are we talking about though? Federal government spending in the US is like 20% of GDP. Say we add 10 percentage points for state and local and then bump that number 10 points to 40%. The UK government spends 40% of its GDP, and they've got crazies giving them Brexit. Say we bump it another 10%. Then we're level with France, where Marine Le Pen is leading in most polls for next year's presidential election. I haven't researched this, but I'm pretty confident France is the developed country with the biggest government, so we're pushing up towards a ceiling here.

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Thinking about it, I think they need to give up that pie much more directly. They have to share more of the pie at source.

E.g. They have to share more of profits derived from their workforce = raising wages.

This also has numerous political advantages as it does not enter into big government, taxation etc.

Elites have to realise they cant pie hog so much without potential blow backs that pose risks to the whole pie making machine.

This type of re-negotiation of the social contract has been going on since the industrial revolution. Most of social democracy/social welfare has been won on the back of keeping the pie machine stable.

Trump voters were duped into thinking he gives any ****s about them or the common man. E.g. they probably didn't want Trump the maverick outsider to pick an administration full of corporate lobbyists.

Meh if the axis is along white grievences then universal benefits aren't going to be effective. It's not just they want more of the pie, they also don't want minorities to have more. Trump may propose more benefits like child care benefits but they're going to have to be structured in a way that the benefits go to whites, which in America, is tax breaks.

But nothing Trump says he'll do really dangers the elite. They aren't undocumented or unable to afford healthcare and will basically be the last people to be impacted by incompetent government.

What do we think non college educated Trump voters actually want and is it remotely feasible?

His cabinet will be interesting. At least lobbyists might have subject matter competence which is not the worst case scenario.

I dont think the Eilte want trade restrictions or basically the massive unpredictability of a Trump presidency.

Ultimately they want a very centrist business as usual President, they did not get this.

I think Trump voters just wanted to go **** you in essence.

I'm not saying they want Trump, just that they can wait him out and get another Obama etc. I disagree we're risking the "whole pie making machine" because of Trump. And I wouldn't hold your breath for the elite to change from centrist pro business.

Sounds about right.

I have a question about the whole no fly no buy thing. If someone is on the terror watch list do you support stripping their ability to access social media and the internet as well?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ems-ambitious/

Every dream possible fulfilled.

Seems feasible, amirite?

OK, but willing a spontaneous renegotiation of the social contract is not really a policy. "Neoliberal capitalism is horrible, and the only thing that can save it is a spontaneous renegotiation of the social contract" is a pretty nihilistic message, because it is the same as "Neoliberal capitalism is horrible and there's nothing you can do about it."

So in your opinion its the current System or China? Nothing inbetween huh?

You do not seem aware that in the vast majority of wealthy western countries, a significant chunk of the population are not on food stamps, going bankrupt because of health care, and working for $6 an hour just to survive. That's just the start. Are Americans really so ignorant to the rest of the world? Wow.

Dude if you're an American the idea that this is the greatest place on earth is drilled into your brain almost from birth. The average American gives zero ****s about how the rest of the world handled social welfare problems. We just use prisons.

Full detrimental inpact of o-care had not taken effect by 2012, as designed by its writers. Also, Romney was not the candidate to repeal/replace o-care, as he was behind MA health insurance.

O-care was created 100% by a dem controlled house and filibuster proof senate, who are 100% responsible as not one rep member of congress voted for it. It was clearly the most salient legislative point of this election, with announced skyrocketing premiums clearly correlated with Hillary's drop in the polls and betting odds immediately prior to Comey letter.

Maybe you could plot prison population vs. Dem great society programs over time.