I share your views on just about every issue from what I've seen but going full commie isn't needed to solve them. Advocating that we start murdering millionaires is a great way to begin the journey to communism but that isn't a good idea either. Purposely taking an additional step that the instructions don't include to solve these issues can imply that you have other motives as well.

How long before einbert gets a visit from the FBI?

I assure you the crowd he's running with in HI has already been thoroughly infiltrated.

This happened to friends of mine. One of them actually had an undercover cop renting her spare room. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle1374044/

Dunno about the FBI, but I would be surprised if the local police haven't infiltrated the groups. FBI doesn't have that big a staff. Maybe an informant though.

I love the idea of what the USA is supposed to be, and the ideals it's supposed to stand for. I feel some moral obligation to fight for those things politically. On a personal level, my entire family and all my friends are here, and I can't imagine living the rest of my life that far away from them.

I suppose that leaves Canada, but it's very cold.

Canada#1 https://www.thestar.com/.../rise-of-right-wing-extremists

Netherland anthilles aren't "a distant corner of the world" (for example). They are closer to many states than alaska or hawaii are.

I mean , the thing about your family, wouldn't that be true if you lived in a different state as well? but people change state all the times. You have family in (say) ohio, you go to california, is it really so much different if you go to Uruguay or denmark? those few more hours by plane it would take those 2-3 times per year top that you move to meet them, are those so relevant for your life?

About what usa "is supposed to be", can you identify a single moment in US history when poverty had been solved? where the societal issues you care about weren't a fixture of america?

America NEVER stand for "any random person with 0 effort or skills will live a good life". Never. Not a single time in their history. They have been adamant in their deep dislike of slackers and unlucky people, more than most countries in the world.

I live on the east coast and am specifically holding off on a potential move to the west coast in order to be closer to my family. They're currently a one-hour drive away, and I'm trying to keep it within three hours or so. It's about the difference in seeing them frequently versus once or twice a year, not the extra few hours once or twice a year.

It's been better or worse at different times. I was referring to more than just poverty, though - I was referring more to race, gender, orientation and religious equality. We seemed to be on a good track toward progress a few years ago, but we've backslid obviously. A lot.

I don't think I've ever said I'm for "any random person with zero effort or skills will live a good life."

How would one pack up and move to the Netherlands Antilles? What are the laws around residency? iirc it takes ~5 years of living and working in the Netherlands (and knowing Dutch) in order to apply to become a citizen.

And yeah, family stuff matters. I'm less attached to that personally, but my gf is very close with her family, they all live within a 45 minute drive, and when we have kids someday it's even more important to her to be close to family.

You don't need to be a citizen to emigrate to the EU. It depends ofc on what job you can do, but if you are able to be employeed being a resident is extremely easier than in the US (far easier than green card lottery or H1B visas). Also you can get the easiest european residency then move freely everywhere. Like in malta or portugal you buy a house you automatically get residency, then you can move to netherland antilles (random example).

You don't have to tell me that family stuff matters. I am italian. But americans have far higher rates of internal migration than italians (except from extremely poor regions to richer ones), so i supposed it was easier for an american to move.

Let's agree at least on the fact that once you open up to the possibility of moving to another non adiacent state, then you can as well go in another country.

When as it been better than in the last 10 years?

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Regarding the bold you said NOBODY should lack healthcare, housing, clean water, decent food, ...(i suppose you meant 1st world healthcare, 1st world housing, 1st world food)

That is a good life for 99% of humanity in history, and like 85%+ of humanity right now.

IF EVERYBODY is GUARANTEED that, that means literally any random person with 0 effor or skills is guaranteed, in your ideal society, a good life. Like a better life than the median mexican is living right now.

You can provide all the examples you want, but you're still making it sound like moving is some trivial matter. Stop talking about people as if they're some monolithic group. I guess you really do lack imagination, so here's a hint: There are millions of people in this country who can't afford to move even if they wanted to. Not to some ****ing random place that might be convenient for YOU, not to some adjacent state, they can't even leave their own home. Or neighborhood. Some of us have families we simply cannot leave behind, or jobs and businesses. Oh, and then there's the fact that some of us simply don't want to. I'm fairly certain there are quite a few people who are, like, 60/40 stay/leave. I personally having a growing desire to leave, but I'm also certain I'm not close to the tipping point of where I really do start packing up.

Off the top of my head, social security reduced poverty among the elderly by like half. The sentiment you portray here I agree with to an extent, but "NEVER" and "adamant" is a bit of an exaggeration.

Hillary and Bill Clinton to go on tour this year

It's like every day is Christmas, but instead of a gift I get something new about this country to hate instead.

I predict Billarypalooza '18 gets approximately 3x the ink that Trump's historic tax fraud got.

Maybe this can be the thing that finally unites the country. I'd be happy to link arms with deplorables and chant "Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Go crawl into a hole and die because you're horrible and we all hate you!"

The gift that keeps on giving

I'm honestly prepared to believe that they're being given a HUGE check by the GOP to do this roadshow - I mean, what could the motive possible be? Complete lack of self-awareness/insane moneygrubbing/inability to accept that the world doesn't spin around your wrinkled ass? At this point, it's hard to argue that anyone is doing more to torpedo democratic election chances than the Clintons.

MM MD

I remember excerpts from her book basically blaming her loss on Bernie.

Might be worth pointing out here that Democrats (writ large) haven't quite ever dealt well with the multiple credible accusations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton. Obviously I'm talking about a lot of people so the variance is large but generally speaking, he seems like a party leader in good standing?

There's a lot of people who gnash their teeth and demand Hillary Clinton go away but someone's going to have to remind me why Bill Clinton isn't seen as more of a pariah. I assume I'm going to get some realpolitik stuff about how he was popular and a good President and is an effective mouthpiece and a lot of the Clinton accusers seemed less credible. But some were entirely credible (not dissimilar from Kavanaugh).

But we might want to consider telling Bill Clinton to go **** off and walk in the woods and get out of the public spotlight as much as everyone seems dying to tell Hillary to do the same?

Is Bill Clinton really a credible figurehead to anyone other than the garbagey tastemakers in the Acela corridor?

Maybe not?

I am completely in favor of telling Bill to **** off as well. They can take Chelsea too while they're at it.

On the bright side, they're waiting until after the midterms. So this will just be the thing that Tucker Carlson bitches about in late November/early December.

Also, two of the stops are in Canada.

But yeah, I'm with everyone else. It's time for Bill and Hillary to exit stage left. Just retire already. Your work is done here.