The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 277 - Politics and Economics

Given that we're not invading Iran yet Trump is exceeding expectations and has so far been less harmful a president than GWB, but I think the question should be who would you pick under the same circumstances. Bush made no moves towards a big war until after 9/11 and he probably wouldn't have done so if he were elected in 2016. And as bad as Bush was, having Trump as POTUS on 9/11 could have been worse.

So, I'd rank Trump below Bush.

Andrew Jackson seems like the most likely contender for being worse than Trump.

08-04-2018 , 01:31 PM

#6903

becky88

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please let us rank carter the worst and obama next to worst. it was because of these 2 that we got reagan and trump. no other way could those 2 have won a prom contest never mind the presidency of the u.s. go ahead now and flame on. this was sent from my desktop

08-04-2018 , 01:44 PM

#6904

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by becky88

This is written pretty badly and this is probably not what you meant, but the only way this makes sense is if you're saying Reagan and Trump suck, could not win a prom contest, and it's Obama's and Carter's fault that those losers became POTUS.

Trump probably could not have won a prom contest. He'd be way too hated and loses popular votes. It's unfortunate that so many people hate Black people and Trump getting elected is clearly partly a reaction to Obama being POTUS. I disagree with the rest though. Reagan obviously was the kind of vacuous shallow but friendly and popular guy who could win a prom contest and it's also largely why he won the biggest prom contest of all.

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08-04-2018 , 01:50 PM

#6905

becky88

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let us write it this way then. is there anyone on this site who does not think that the reason trump won was because all the old white racists came out to vote for him because they were making a statement about having a black president. feel free to comment and show your true colors if you think that this is not an accurate statement of the opinions of most of the posters on this site. this was sent from my dektop

08-04-2018 , 01:55 PM

#6906

microbet

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I guess that is how you meant it.

Trump won by so little though that there are lots and lots of things that were big enough to make the difference between winning and losing.

Racism, sexism, Comey, Russia, Hdawg not campaigning in those states enough....and many more things could be called the reason Trump won.

08-04-2018 , 08:09 PM

#6907

aoFrantic

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The fact they have 88 in their name and aren't 30 years old is a big giveaway about their ideology!

08-04-2018 , 09:17 PM

#6908

Trolly McTrollson

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Becks could probably have gone with becky1488_hh as a username and the mods would be ok with it.

08-04-2018 , 09:54 PM

#6909

TeflonDawg

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She could just be a big Michael Irvin fan? this was sent from my commodore 64

08-04-2018 , 10:05 PM

#6910

stinkubus

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Got dam I loved my Commodore.

08-04-2018 , 10:08 PM

#6911

mendicant loafer

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keeping her 88 straight?

08-04-2018 , 11:53 PM

#6912

campfirewest

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonDawg

She could just be a big Michael Irvin fan? this was sent from my commodore 64

More likely a concert pianist.

08-05-2018 , 01:07 AM

#6913

SuperUberBob

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Becky knows that if she hangs around for too long she'll get banned. So she pulls an adios or maulaga by dropping 1-2 posts here and there trolling us but not wearing out her welcome.

08-05-2018 , 09:42 AM

#6914

maxtower

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Any chance she's just a big Dale Jr. fan ?

08-07-2018 , 06:31 PM

#6915

becky88

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maxtower

Any chance she's just a big Dale Jr. fan ?

BINGO

08-07-2018 , 06:39 PM

#6916

UsedToBeGood

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becky88 would be so triggered to know Dale Jr. is actually an on the down low liberal.

08-07-2018 , 06:54 PM

#6917

master3004

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And half black

08-14-2018 , 11:28 AM

#6918

einbert

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This Sort of Spineless Corporate Pandering Is Why Democrats Keep Losing
The DNC's vote to reverse a ban on fossil fuel industry giving is a deplorable step backward for the party

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When we were fighting the Keystone XL pipeline back during the Obama Administration, I learned to watch out for Friday afternoons. That was the Administration’s favorite time to put out a news dump, whether it was a faulty environmental impact statement or some sort of waffling delay of the project. We knew the Obama team was conflicted about the pipeline and increasingly realized that it undid all of their rhetorical commitment to climate action. But instead of showing the political courage to finally say “no” to the pipeline, they strung out the decision for years with these quiet Friday afternoon announcements, trying to bury the news at the end of a long week.

Saying “no” to the fossil fuel industry clearly still comes hard for Democrats, which is why on Friday afternoon, at 5:00pm ET the Democratic National Committee voted to reverse a decision they made two months ago to not take political contributions for the fossil fuel industry. This had to be one of the quickest flip-flops in DNC history, and if it hadn’t been for some attentive journalists (credit to Alexander Kaufman over at Huffington Post who broke the news) and addicted Twitter users, the Committee may have succeeded in burying it.

Full story: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...ts-keep-losing

08-14-2018 , 11:53 AM

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kerowo

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If your groups values are contrary to that industry why would you want to take money from them? It would look weird for a solar group to take money from the utility industry. If Democrats want to be seen as pro-environment then not taking money from big polluters seems rational.

Last edited by kerowo; 08-14-2018 at 11:53 AM. Reason: removed true statement about shuffle

08-14-2018 , 12:02 PM

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cilldroichid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Blanket ban on contributions from any industry is really stupid in the first place.

There should be a blanket ban on contributions from all industries and strict limitations on private donations.

08-14-2018 , 12:50 PM

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ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by kerowo

In business that happens all the time. Solar cell makers owned by oil companies etc.

08-14-2018 , 03:33 PM

#6922

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cilldroichid

There should be a blanket ban on contributions from all industries and strict limitations on private donations.

You shouldn’t be able to support both sides either.

08-14-2018 , 04:13 PM

#6923

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cilldroichid

There should be a blanket ban on contributions from all industries and strict limitations on private donations.

This.

08-14-2018 , 04:16 PM

#6924

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

You shouldn’t be able to support both sides either.

Also this, though if donation limits were small and the dark money stuff was stopped it really wouldn't matter. The way things are now, large donations to opposing candidates (or PACs etc) is just disgustingly obvious corruption.