What are you talking about? Are you suggesting I want Scalise to be killed? And I don't get at all what the connection to a functioning criminal justice system is.

I thought you were advocating Civil War 2, which was my reading comprehension fail. Since me being a Obama/Hillary supporter and former Democratic Party activist puts me on Team Centrist around here, replace me with "people in the 60-90 percentile of leftism".

This is an important post. Every time you read something about how such-and-such policy is too far, or the people won't stand for whatever outrageous thing just happened, or we're really on the cusp of everybody saying enough is enough, or whatever other horse**** we all keep telling ourselves about how everything's going to be OK because somebody spit in Ivanka's soup, remember this post.

This country will not stand up to fascism, gross injustice and immorality because this country is fat, lazy and apathetic.

Life's too easy for the majority to risk their lives fighting back.

I suppose this is the endgame of all democracies.

I don't want Civil War 2. What I actually want is the fewest people tortured, imprisoned, and murdered - regardless of whether they are rich, white, Christian, and American, but also including those people. Are rich white Christian Americans really afraid of being murdered though or of losing privilege?

As far as the civility/incivility debate goes the twitter thread that mentioned the white lady who called the cops on the kid selling water made a good point. That lady was not seen as the same class as the rich liberals, but the rich conservatives are of that class. It's ok to be uncivil to her, but not to SHS. Especially not in a nice restaurant. Scenes are only made at the appropriate times and places and by and toward appropriate people. Trolley made the point about manners being a class indicator and that was well made too. Without the proper signals of deference and respect, interactions with others are threatening. Lower class people live with that threat all the time. The incivility is not really a threat of violence or Civil War 2.0, but it's scary because it is a failure of the expected deference which implies not only that there will be no violence, but that the ruling class can **** on whoever they want and expect no more than a polite complaint and only then in the proper time and place.

That's the FDR model. Keep the masses working, but not intolerably hard. Share the wealth enough so their lives don't suck too hard. Keep inequality generally from getting out of hand. This end of history where a sorta democratic state is really a benevolent oligharchy seems/seemed plausible and which may be the best achievable outcome for a large modern society, but we're off course from that.

I still don't really care what you were thinking. Did you think that I was saying progressives were a favorite to win the civil war or something? Progressives as opposed to liberals? What I meant was that Trumpkins are the clear favorite to win any real war. Part of that would be that because just like in Germany the center and the business interests would align with the right instead of the left, but mostly it's because the military and the police are dominated by Trumpkins.

I don't want a real war anyway, regardless of who wins it.

jill stein got 50,000 votes in michigan and trump ended up winning the state by 10,000 votes

Pretty impossible to say that those votes would have gone to Democrats without Jill Stein. Otherwise you run into world where you can say that you cannot lose votes by shifting to the right because those "far left" votes will always vote for you.

Yeah, I mean in these scenarios all those Gary Johnson votes are never assigned to Republicans (or even just a small portion of), which is convenient.

I would definitely bet that Trump polls better with Gary Johnson voters than Hillary does with Jill Stein voters.

That's the idea Democrats are running with for 2018 and 2020.

It's a bad idea.

We're already in Civil War 2 more or less, most people just aren't willing to admit it yet. And ask yourself if you really think it's worth not having a war to appease neoconfederates, yes very much like the ones that had to be crushed 150 years ago in the first Civil War.

So what do you think about finishing off Scalise?

I'm not advocating violence against anybody. Just saying let's all be aware of what's going on here, the times we are living in. This isn't a game. Rest in power Mike Brown, Erica Garner, Trayvon Martin, Heather Heyer, George Tiller, the thousands of nameless who have died in the prisons of Alabama and Arkansas and Louisiana and California and Hawaii and New York and Texas, all those who have died from right-wing shooters on school campuses, all those who have died of our imperialistic mania in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere.

The leaders of the Democratic Party are making their voices heard:



And what they're saying is they don't give a **** about you.

Wonder if some Trump-supporting billionaire paid Rep. Waters some big wad of cash to create division in the Democratic Party? Mr. Trump had a terrible week, and now instead of building some huge political capital by talking continuously about children being abused in concentration camps, the Dems have to spend time with damage control over Rep. Waters comments.

I'm sure that Rep. Waters is above reproach, but still...

For someone who campaigned for someone who murdered 25000 Libyans you seem really concerned about Scalise.

Rep. Waters comments might energize the progressives, but will that be more than offset by turning off some potential Dem voters who are currently weighing their options?

lol, this concern trolling is unlikely to go down well here. We are all pretty sick of this argument. Trump has been holding rallies LITERALLY FOR YEARS where the audience chants for his political opponent to be jailed. Why doesn't your argument apply to that?

Hell, forget Sarah Sanders. I'm ready for a world where Pelosi and Schumer cannot eat in peace. Let the ruling class have no quarter.

I'm not making an argument, I'm asking a question. You might want to learn the difference between a question and an argument at some point. I can't stand either major party, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

FYI: Accusing me of "concern trolling" violates Forum Rule #1.

But yeah literally noone believes you lagtight. You're not a very good lag.

How do you know that "literally noone[sic]" believes me? Please show me your polling data, or retract your statement. Thanking you in advance.

I speak what I believe to be the truth. I can certainly be mistaken on what the truth actually is, of course.

I might be a fool, but I'm not a liar.