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05-14-2018 , 06:15 PM
Doesn't help being a Democrat when Republican supreme court just gave a huge lifeline to online poker. Three Democrats tried to kill it. 2 being Clinton appointees
05-14-2018 , 06:20 PM
What is the online poker angle to the sports betting ruling?
05-14-2018 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
What is the online poker angle to the sports betting ruling?
A state with sports betting is more than likely to also allow their residents to play online poker as well.
05-14-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
Doesn't help being a Democrat when Republican supreme court just gave a huge lifeline to online poker. Three Democrats tried to kill it. 2 being Clinton appointees
No they didn't but we can't expect you to actually read court opinions.
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Originally Posted by maulaga58
A state with sports betting is more than likely to also allow their residents to play online poker as well.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Look up why the UIGEA passed in the first place.
05-14-2018 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
No they didn't
Ginsburg and Sotomayor voted against, with Breyer supporting them.

Every conservative voted in favor. The GOP is starting to lean libertarian. Liberals becoming the enemies of liberty.
05-14-2018 , 08:08 PM
Not the enemies of liberty!
05-14-2018 , 08:18 PM
Mualaga is super concerned for dems because they might be losing ALL the low info voters that use poker as their single voting issue and lean dem. Do you think there’s a lot of these people that lean dem and will change their mind to republican candidates because of the SC vote on sports betting?
05-14-2018 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by u cnat spel
Ginsburg and Sotomayor voted against, with Breyer supporting them.

Every conservative voted in favor. The GOP is starting to lean libertarian. Liberals becoming the enemies of liberty.
Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Breyer all concurred with the majority that it was unconstitutional to force states to ban sports betting. Where they dissented was that they held that it was constitutional for state sports betting laws to be illegal federally. In other words, if their opinion had been the majority, the US would have ended up with a situation like with marijuana. Or that's my understanding anyway, IANAL.

Supreme Court justices do not decide cases based on what they think the law ought to be, but on their reading of what it actually says. The idea that justices are like "People should be able to sportsbet imo. LIBERTY! Therefore, I'm not allowing this law" is a small child's idea of how the world works.
05-14-2018 , 08:28 PM
This reminds of how 3/4 of a poker table is awful and the other 1/4 wear headphones to drown out the awfulness
05-14-2018 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by u cnat spel
Ginsburg and Sotomayor voted against, with Breyer supporting them.

Every conservative voted in favor. The GOP is starting to lean libertarian. Liberals becoming the enemies of liberty.
lolu

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-supreme-court

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GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah) said on Monday that he will introduce new sports gambling legislation after the Supreme Court struck down a federal law that banned the betting in almost every state.
"At stake here is the very integrity of sports. That’s why I plan to introduce legislation in the coming weeks to help protect honesty and principle in the athletic arena," Hatch said in a statement.
05-14-2018 , 08:36 PM
****ing old white people, man
05-14-2018 , 08:41 PM
the bill they struck down passed the Senate 88-5 but yeah tragic death democrats something
05-14-2018 , 09:51 PM
Those YouGov results are pretty brutal. The Republicans have successfully moved the overton window to the right. Based on those numbers, the Democrats are likely to move more to the right to accommodate the independent who think they're too liberal.

It's also insane that 38% of Republicans think that the Republican Party isn't conservative enough. Right now they're basically the UKIP of America. If they were any further to the right, they'd be the BNP.
05-14-2018 , 09:59 PM
Utah's a lock to pass strict anti-gambling laws. It will also have a thriving black market for gambling.
05-14-2018 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Those YouGov results are pretty brutal. The Republicans have successfully moved the overton window to the right. Based on those numbers, the Democrats are likely to move more to the right to accommodate the independent who think they're too liberal.
The numbers are misleading because there are more registered Dems in America than registered Reps (31% vs 24%, at last count, which also found that 46% overall "lean Dem" and 39% "lean GOP"). As a result, the Democrats need to win less independents, so the 38% "Dems too liberal" vs 31% "GOP too conservative" is not a big deal. Self-identified moderates/centrists were more likely to say that the GOP is too conservative than that the Dems are too liberal. I don't see the numbers as a problem.

I also think that "too liberal" is a meaningless question. Do people mean they don't want universal healthcare, or do they mean they don't like Black Lives Matter? Most people don't have a political philosophy and tend to pick and choose their opinions.

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It's also insane that 38% of Republicans think that the Republican Party isn't conservative enough.
Also 47% of conservatives and 49% of Trump voters.
05-15-2018 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Breyer all concurred with the majority that it was unconstitutional to force states to ban sports betting. Where they dissented was that they held that it was constitutional for state sports betting laws to be illegal federally. In other words, if their opinion had been the majority, the US would have ended up with a situation like with marijuana. Or that's my understanding anyway, IANAL.

Supreme Court justices do not decide cases based on what they think the law ought to be, but on their reading of what it actually says. The idea that justices are like "People should be able to sportsbet imo. LIBERTY! Therefore, I'm not allowing this law" is a small child's idea of how the world works.
Who's being naive, Kay?
05-16-2018 , 12:55 AM
Two novice DSA members beat out two long time PA incumbents notorious for being part of the political machine.
05-16-2018 , 01:04 AM
DSA=Democratic Socialists of America

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Update, 9:45 PM, 6/15: Sara Innamorato and Summer Lee, both members of Pittsburgh’s chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America, have defeated Dom and Paul Costa, both incumbent state representatives, in Pennsylvania’s Democratic primary. No Republican candidate has filed to run in either district. Rep. Dom Costa, defeated by Innamorato, mounted a late write-in bid for the GOP’s ballot line. It is unclear both whether it was successful, and if it was, what his intentions are for the November general election.

Update, 10:35 PM: With 99% precincts reporting, it appears that Dom Costa’s attempt to obtain the GOP ballot line fell short by about two dozen votes. Innamorato finishes with 5,757 votes, nearly 65% of votes cast. Summer Lee won with 6,655 votes, or almost 68% of votes cast.
05-16-2018 , 01:10 AM
I've been to some meetings where the DSA was there or sponsored. They are pretty tame and basically Bernieish, I think without any of the Bro-ness.
05-16-2018 , 01:27 AM
I still don't really know what a bernie bro is.
05-16-2018 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I still don't really know what a bernie bro is.
Bernie Supporter:Bernie Bro :: Vegetarian:Activist Vegetarian
05-16-2018 , 01:34 AM
I still don't really know what a bernie bro is.
05-16-2018 , 02:12 AM
Basically just Bernie supporters who went really negative on Hillary and apparently called her sexist stuff on twitter or something. Basically just your average online idiot who happened to support Bernie that got blown up by the Clinton campaign looking for sympathy.
05-16-2018 , 08:16 AM
In real world usage 'Bernie Bro' is just bull**** used to disparage anyone and anything to the left of centrist democrats. It was never a real thing that needed a label.
05-16-2018 , 09:36 AM
Misogynist and from what I've seen from some 2p2 posters some of the Bernie supporters are lefty on economics but sympathetic to all the cultural resentment stuff. I think it's like 90% an online thing as it describes no one I met irl and I met a lot of Bernie supporters, but maybe in another part of the country it's different.

      
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