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02-18-2018 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I absolutely don't believe you'll pay and I'm not escrowing hundreds of dollars for 2 years to make a 1 percent return. Baldwin, Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, Warren, and Sanders are all cosponsors of the Medicare for all bill currently in the Senate, so really what you're wanting to do is take the field against them for the Dem Nom, right?
I ran fantasy leagues in OOT for several years where I held all funds with no issues but OK. I'll escrow up to $10 on my end with a poster of your choice. If you win it's yours, if you lose it's returned to me and you'll owe me $1000. If you're freerolling me I'll happily give up the few $ in EV to see you banned forever.

The bet offered was that "the 2020 Democratic nominee for president does not make universal healthcare a campaign issue." For you to win that means from the date of the Democratic National Convention to 11/3/2020, the Democratic nominee for president makes a statement indicating that they intend to push for healthcare reform if elected, and their proposed plan ensures at a minimum that 100% of US citizens will have some form of health insurance or coverage. If they claim that they would support several options their top choice needs to be the universal option. Quote to book and tell me where to send the money or **** off.
02-18-2018 , 08:35 PM
I don't mean you won't pay like you'll admit you were wrong but refuse to fork over the money, I mean that you'll refuse to pay like you'll come up with some angle that supporting a public option or modified M4A doesn't "count" and claim you won.

But just to sketch it out, would a statement along these lines qualify?
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Health care is a basic right. We are 90 percent covered, we gotta get to 100 percent, and then we gotta get cost down and make it work for everybody
02-18-2018 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The truly grim fact for this morning is that, even if we survive four years of Trump's Visigothic occupation of Washington, there's nothing particularly to look forward to on the horizon. It's abundantly clear that the Dems will pivot further left to the Sanders/Warren wingnut types, and they have nothing really to offer.

In a perfect world, the message that should have sunk Trump is his record of spewing hate towards women and minorities. This is real life though, so the message that was practically going to sink Trump is that everything is going fine and it would be insane to turn the reins of power over to a petty neophyte who may or may not be a pawn of hostile foreign interests. But, crucially, the Dems have robbed themselves of the ability to make that case, largely because they are burrowing into the same rabbit hole that the Tea Party took the GOP down, that the system is hopelessly corrupt, that "neoliberalism" is a cancer, that we need a revolution, etc., etc.

Trump's victory really represents a total victory for the structural critique of capitalism that the left has been pushing for decades. Trade is so toxic that HRC had to walk away from a landmark FTA that she negotiated, even when unemployment is <5% on election day. Take that, global capital! The overlooked part is that the left doesn't really have any alternative to replace the neoliberal order, just a grab-bag of random terrible nonsense policies ($15 min wage, free college, etc.) and a vague hope that we can trim 15% off of our GDP/c and become Germany.

Ironically, the one area where the leftist critique is correct and the system is broken is structural inequality/social justice, and of course that cause has been comprehensively crushed.
Quality of life in places run by what you describe as left wing nuts is much higher than the us.
02-21-2018 , 07:38 AM
I see Our Revolution endorsed Dennis Kucinich for governor. Clearly some Very Serious people are involved. This is a complete embarrassment and hopefully only some moron locals involved
02-23-2018 , 03:15 AM
Florida Lawmakers Advance Bill Requiring Schools To Display 'In God We Trust'

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...n-god-we-trust

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State legislators in Florida came together on Wednesday — the same day student activists gathered outside the House chamber in Tallahassee to demand stricter gun laws, one week after the school massacre in Parkland — to pass a measure related to schools, but not guns. HB 839 would require every public school in Florida to display "in a conspicuous place" the state motto, "In God We Trust."
"ATC, you posted this in the wrong thread. The Florida state legislature is controlled by Republicans. We can't stop their pointless virtue signalling to the base." Well, about that:

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The bill's sponsor in the House, Rep. Kimberly Daniels, a Democrat from Jacksonville who also runs a ministry, said the bill is "so simple, just saying put a poster up to remind our children of the foundation of this country."

On Wednesday, in a speech from the House floor, Daniels indirectly referred to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last week that left 17 students and educators dead.

"It is not a secret that we have some gun issues that need to be addressed, but the real thing that needs to be addressed are issues of the heart," she said.
"Well, come on ATC. Be fair. Every party has a few crackpots."

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House members passed the legislation 97 to 10.
Primary everyone. Get rid of these ****ing bums.

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Daniels said she had a vision earlier in the week, "I believe it was God, and I heard a voice say, 'Do not politicize what has happened in Florida and do not make this a thing of division.' "

Daniels continued to speak about God: "He's not a Republican and he's not a Democrat. He's not black and he's not white. He is the light. And our schools need light in them like never before."
Fucckkkkkk yooouuuuuuuu
02-23-2018 , 02:58 PM
How can they get away with something so blatantly unconstitutional

I mean thats a dumb question obviously. I agree with primary everyone
02-23-2018 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
People make guns with 3D printers. There certainly would be someone who would willingly do that for $$$ once costs associated with them come down.
3D printed guns have a life of a single firing.
02-23-2018 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by watevs
How can they get away with something so blatantly unconstitutional

I mean thats a dumb question obviously. I agree with primary everyone
It's our national motto
02-23-2018 , 03:05 PM
Also, and this has been debated ITT before, but it's a huge plus if crooks are forced to make their own guns instead of relying on professionally-made weapons. Half of them are gonna jam or backfire.
02-23-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
3D printed guns have a life of a single firing.
For now. And even a one timer would probably sell if/when guns are prohibited.
02-23-2018 , 03:22 PM
They would sell and people do make their own guns. I was held up in Argentina by a guy who had lead pipe that was retrofitted to be a pistol. They only fire one shot though and only sometimes. They're a lot less deadly.
02-23-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
For now. And even a one timer would probably sell if/when guns are prohibited.
And should that ever occur, it will still take highly specialized equipment that we can also ban.
02-23-2018 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
For now. And even a one timer would probably sell if/when guns are prohibited.


So let them try. And we'll find ways to address the ways in which they succeed.
02-23-2018 , 03:34 PM
I'm not super up on materials science, but my understanding is that 3D printing anything that can withstand multiple bullet firings is lol for the foreseeable future. I think maybe we can worry about replicators when they actually exist.
02-23-2018 , 03:38 PM
They'd still be more desirable than a zip gun.

And I don't even know why people would argue there wouldn't be a black market for guns.
02-23-2018 , 03:40 PM
Uh, nobody is arguing anything like that?
02-23-2018 , 03:42 PM
Uh, yes someone actually did argue that, maybe go back and read.
02-23-2018 , 03:48 PM
I'm pretty sure they didn't, but this is the second time today you're trying to do your Paul D thing where you blow up a trivial thing waaaaay past the point where anybody cares but you, and even if you're right it's only on the slimmest of technicalities. So whatever. I concede. You win whatever it is you think is going on here.
02-23-2018 , 03:52 PM
Let me stop you right there in your ****ty tracks. Someone actually did make an argument that they weren't convinced there would be a black market. And you came in without reading the full exchange. You don't get to dress me down. You're the one posty ****tily here. Quit being a hypocrite. You actually blew this up because you didn't read.

Last edited by Paul D; 02-23-2018 at 04:02 PM.
02-23-2018 , 03:57 PM
Ofc there will always be a black market for guns and maybe some enterprising lad will set up a foundry in his shop and make improvised guns. I don't think that's a reason for us to let up on gun control.
02-23-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Sucks that there is no answer to my question. There is no Democratic candidate for president that would be as tough on guns as we need.
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Any Democratic candidate that tries might as well write off 30+ states before the election even begins.
Jason Kander. I don't think he's in favor of repealing the 2A, but he's been quite outspoken about gun control. And his military background makes it extremely difficult to attack him on it.

I know I've posted about Kander before, but I think people are way underestimating his chances. I think he's going to run to increase his national profile, and his youth is going to be blindingly obvious compared to the olds. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he catches on and becomes a serious threat to win the nomination, especially if gun control is a relevant issue during the campaign.
02-23-2018 , 04:17 PM
I hope I'm wrong, but if a Dem Presidential nominee were to ratchet up the rhetoric on gun control I have a hard time envision them winning any of the following states: Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
02-24-2018 , 08:44 AM
Ryan Grimm and Lee Fang continue to kill it with another piece on DCCC awfulness.

DCCC Goes Nuclear, Slams Democratic Candidate as Corrupt for Same Behavior It Engages in Regularly

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/...-officials-do/

The DCCC is dumping oppo research on a Democrat running in a US House special election.

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The suggestion that Moser, a freelance writer, has “outright disgust for life in Texas” takes a snippet of Moser’s writing from 2014 in Washingtonian magazine out of context. In an article about her preference for city over rural life, she wrote that she would “sooner have my teeth pulled out without anesthesia” than move to the town where her grandparents had recently sold their house: Paris, Texas. National Democrats may not be familiar with Texas — indeed, the DCCC failed to field a single candidate in a Dallas district that went for Hillary Clinton in 2016 — but in fact Paris, Texas, and Houston, Texas, where Moser is running, are hundreds of miles apart and very different places. Houston is a city.
They claim to be doing this because Moser can't win against the Republican. The fact that Moser wrote an article criticizing the DCCC for supporting anti-choice candidates is totally a coincidence, for real, believe me.
02-24-2018 , 11:28 AM
DCCC is a cartoon villain and they don't seem to give any ****s about openly flaunting how awful they are.
02-26-2018 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
I see Our Revolution endorsed Dennis Kucinich for governor. Clearly some Very Serious people are involved. This is a complete embarrassment and hopefully only some moron locals involved
whats wrong with kucinich? hes about as liberal as it gets and is certainly not beholded to corporations. the bank hate him with a passion and refused to lend cleveland any money when he was mayor and trash piled on the streets for weeks.

      
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