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This was the first thing I noticed about his post. He made sure to include partially-Republican without mentioning partially-Democrat. Maps for "Split America" and "Blue America" include NY/PA/VA/CA which alone are way more than 20% of the population, and that's before we get to MA/NJ/IL and the rest.

11-16-2016 , 07:29 PM

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11-16-2016 , 07:32 PM

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^that's called fancy play syndrome.

11-16-2016 , 07:33 PM

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Trump just had the better strategy.

Working with Russian hackers, state voter suppression of PoC, appealing to the worst elements in society, making wild promises he can't possibly keep, and demonizing the most vulnerable minorities in society (this is what he'll triple down on when things go bad).

You're right. He had the winning strategy.

11-16-2016 , 07:36 PM

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And in regards to the WaPo article.

You guys picked out --- and I agree --- that 80% wording is pretty terrible because it doesn't account for the partial democratic control of some of the states.

But instead of nit picking you're missing the whole point.

The Democrats really suck at state level elections (minus California).

In addition, 2018 Senate is a huge ****ing thing for the Democrats to defend.

I mean look at that map. I grant you maybe Nevada may have to be defended, but other than that... It's going to be a huge opportunity for the GOP.

11-16-2016 , 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Trump's thought is the bolded: that'd he'd have spent time campaigning in CA, NY, and the like in an attempt to increase total votes, when under the electoral system he completely disregarded these states.

The right has taken this and run with it as if it's confirmed fact that he'd have won the popular vote via this method by doing this. This is obviously silly; for starters, spending a total of 15 or 20 hours in these states over the course of three or four appearances wouldn't have changed a couple of million votes, which is what he's going to end up losing by. Also, if he could've done this under a different system, then so could've she, in addition to hitting up big cities in guaranteed-R states like GA/TX/MO/IN that she'd otherwise ignore.

Total speculation on both sides. Who knows how turnout changes when you believe your vote matters. Pretty much only 10 states received the all the attention and the other states pretty well knew who was going to win.

Though Trump plan in winning a popular vote seems pretty stupid. Would think a Republican should not ignore the big cities but probably be better off treating it like a larger scale Ohio. Rack up the votes in the rural areas to off set urban vote.

Of course Hillary's plan of spending more on ads in Nebraska then Michigan and Wisconsin combined is looking pretty stupid.

11-16-2016 , 07:43 PM

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It's not like the old Republicans are winning the war of ideas. Trump proved that being not particularly Republican was a winning strategy in the primary and an article in WAPO said 17 percent of Truml voters approved of Obama.

11-16-2016 , 07:49 PM

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That plus having the empty Supreme Court assured him of keeping the vast majority of the old Republican votes. Wonder how much of a factor the Supreme Court was with those who did not like Hillary or Trump.

11-16-2016 , 07:53 PM

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I mean look at that map. I grant you maybe Nevada may have to be defended, but other than that... It's going to be a huge opportunity for the GOP.

This year was a huge year to defend for the Rs and they pulled a huge surprise out of the hat.

Trump might fail hard enough for them to hold -1 and pick up some in house and set up a huge win in 2020.

11-16-2016 , 07:55 PM

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I agree. It's total speculation. Trump's hardcore supporters seem to be the ones treating it as factual that he could've simply campaigned differently and automatically won the popular vote, just because he said so during another dumb Twitter rant.

11-16-2016 , 07:55 PM

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It can change quickly. Both Bill and Obama got smashed in their first midterm.

11-16-2016 , 07:57 PM

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NJ seat is actually an interesting race in '18. What would otherwise be very safe is likely now in play due to Menendez's legal problems; remains to be seen if he will step aside and let another D take it home.

11-16-2016 , 07:57 PM

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Yeah but why do republicans keep winning everything from local to national elections because the liberal media and politicians like keep changing the parameters about what is correct to say and around minorities and what's offensive. With the Democratic politicians and media it's becoming like the boy who cried wolf when a serious and dangerous threat like Trump arises it falls on deaf ears. because dem's and msm credibility keeps eroding away.

How often do you think they change what is correct to say around minorities and what's offensive? (Btw, do "they" also give their Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on what is currently correct to say around white people?)

Why is this even an issue worth worrying about? As long as you're acting in good faith and trying to treat people how they'd prefer to be treated, how far could you stray from good conduct? You make it sound like it's a burden to keep up with incremental societal changes that seem to take generations for some to internalize, if at all.

11-16-2016 , 08:02 PM

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I didn't know he said that on twitter. Last I saw he said he thought it should be the popular vote.

It was just the first thing that I thought about when people talked about the popular vote. Just the way my mind works. Based on the rules of the competition what is the best strategy. Probably why I like poker.

11-16-2016 , 08:05 PM

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Why is this even an issue worth worrying about? As long as you're acting in good faith and trying to treat people how they'd prefer to be treated, how far could you stray from good conduct?

I like this

11-16-2016 , 08:08 PM

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Trump is a narcissistic with few core beliefs, so it is true that he could have won the popular vote if he had to. However, he would have had to run a campaign that was not nearly as toxic to do so, which would have been a very good thing.

11-16-2016 , 09:12 PM

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What percent of the population lives in a state either all or partially controlled by Democrats? Sounds like it's a lot more than 20.

You're naturally going to have overlap if you put the partial control total in both piles.

11-16-2016 , 09:32 PM

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That's a fair point. How about this. The popular vote on this election will always and forever remind us that we needed to slander our opponents at least 15 more times each and we could have won.

I don't think this helps the Democrat Party win elections in the future. But hey, its your party, you can cry if you want to.

11-16-2016 , 09:48 PM

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The system does favor small states. New Hampshire might be the most powerful state in the union given their primary position and swing state status.

GOP took the NH governor seat this year, and now control the House and Senate as well.

Methinks NH voter registration will be changing soon.

Probably see some gerrymandering for good measure.

11-16-2016 , 09:53 PM

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They don't "keep" winning national elections; they just won one by the skin of their teeth after having lost 4 of the last 6. And as far as the Senate, House, Governor, and state legislature races, a huge part of the reason is that heavily Democratic groups like young people and minorities never show up during the midterms. Remember, the Senate is now 52-48 because of the '14 bloodbath; Dems actually gained two seats in '16.

Funny what happens during elections when only those people who care enough to actually make sure they vote show up.

I'd really like to disregard the urge to read too much into this, but it pretty much explains why Massachusetts frequently has a GOP governor (the gubernatorial election is in the 2nd year of the presidential term).

It also implies a grim situation for the DNC in 2018. If Trump "surprises" to the upside, there are many democrat held seats around the country that could fall.

11-16-2016 , 11:23 PM

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Want to know what the number 1 problem of the left and the democratic party? political correctness. Now you can't even refer to a group of african americans as a posse. this liberal political correctness bull**** needs to stop.

If only Hillary hadn't been pushing that "no posse" law.

11-16-2016 , 11:29 PM

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25 of the 33 available senate seats are Democratic.

11-17-2016 , 01:09 AM

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Louisiana goes dem in 2 weeks, and an epic 27-6 beatdown due to lol Trump.

I mean it's a huge longshot but Donald Trump and the ****ing Cubs won this year.

We should root for it because of how hard it would be to **** that map up and lose control of Congress. It'd be hilarious.

11-17-2016 , 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Bingo.

11-17-2016 , 01:28 AM

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Maybe a .5% at most that Campbell beats Kennedy in Louisiana. There is literally a heads up Senate election going on in this ****ing state and some of the biggest Dem activist groups are ****ing calling their Reps about Steve ****ing Bannon, as if a single legislator around here is going to take an enormous, basically meaningless stand against an appointed job for a just-elected President. Even if they did that's obviously more important.

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