With Louise Mensch and Rachel Maddow's help, we can probably get them tried and convicted of TREASON against our democratic institutions. Then we can refocus on a platform of UNITY by partnering with Evan McMullin and George W. Bush.

Go team go!

ASPoker standing up for someone that has been at the center of what he thinks is a disgustingly corrupt party for ~30 years.

I hate Donna Brazile, have always hated Donna Brazile, and currently recognize her for being a self-serving scumbag hack. But I don't think she is an agent of Putin, ergo I am "standing up for her."

#TheResistance

No, you are just making a blatantly dishonest arguments because that is what you do. They noted Brazile was parroting bizarre conspiracy theories used by Trump and Russian trolls, and saying she should not do that. So are they accusing her of conspiring with Trump too?

You do you Mr. I Loath Corruption but say little to nothing about one of the most corrupt administrations of all-time that also controls ~everything right now.

A person could work 24/7 and only enlighten people about a fraction of the Trump administration's corruption, but instead you choose to attribute arguments to people that they did not make to get people upset, on an issue that is trivial in the first place.

The Trump administration is corrupt and bad, moreso than most-to-all Ds. Everyone knows that, do you think I don't believe it?

The Ds deserve criticism especially because they are the *only* opposition to bad things and they seem completely and wholly uninterested in doing good things. Believing that the party is broken beyond repair and that it needs complete and *real* reform is not unreasonable and/or trolling. To their credit, there is probably a small non-zero chance that they can change for the better. I hope they do. To me, criticism of their shenanigans and wholescale rejection of centrist/clinton/corrupt elements of the party most effectively drives towards that path.

Honestly? No.

The problem is that Brazile's nonsense conspiracy theories distract from the real issues that were going on in the DNC. I have no problem with raking Clinton or DWS over the coals for signing deals that gave her an advantage.

I think/hope you oppose Trump. However, I think you have absolutely zero interest in doing a thing about it. You want everyone else to do the work and then stand above it all mocking everyone else and getting lols.

Am I getting this wrong?

There is a $2700 limit on what you can donate to a candidate per campaign, so an individual could only give HRC $2700 for the primaries. Her deal with the DNC gave her campaign control of DNC spending and then individuals who wanted to donate to her campaign could donate $300k+ which her campaign controlled. Ordinarily that ****ty dark money would have to go to a PAC which her campaign was expressly forbidden to direct.

I can hear pre-convention someone or another yelling "SHOW ME WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN!!!". But, I'm not sympathetic. This is the **** that is wrong, not with the Democratic Party, but with "Democracy" in America and it's much worse than some tricks to get the questions beforehand at a town hall or email chatter about whether to point out how Jewey Bernie is.

You keep assuming (wrongly) that you know what I believe and what I do based on my posts criticizing Ds in a thread called: The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party.

Based on your posting on all of 2+2, which is all you can expect other posters to form an opinion on.

The funds could only be used in the general election and the DNC would obviously want to spend the bulk of money raised on a Presidential general election regardless. If Bernie won the primary then the money would have gone to his benefit in the general. Also, think it is closer to $150k per person than $300k with 50 states.

Hillary entered into the agreement early because she was confident she was going to win as she thought she cleared the field which is what made this unusual. The wrongdoing with respect to Bernie was that the agreement gave Hillary's campaign veto power with respect to the appoint of DNC spokesperson and believe another position or two, presumably as quid pro quo for Hillary bailing them out.

No, I'm not in favor of one person having such control/influence over a party. And yes being yet another loophole to get more money into politics is bad for democracy.

I don't know the details, but Donna was on a morning show this morning saying the "veto power" affected how at least some money was spent. She said she wanted to spend some money down-ballot in places like Kansas and Nebraska, but HRC had control.

One hundred.

Circumventing the limit by asserting control over an entity in whose neutrality the public is supposed to be able to trust is a betrayal. Hillary's top donors were all large VC, iBanking, and private equity firms, plus some billionaires (like, well, Soros) giving through foundations.

The money laundering didn't bother me as much as the santimonous pretense that anyone would dare impune the intentions of Clinton who was magnanimously raising money for the state Democratic parties in addition to her campaign.

I got so invested into the virginia race and so mad at you that I had to turn off politics for two days. I forgot that you don’t actually know anything about most, let’s say, places in virginia. Whatever, today is a good day. My former town and county surged 30% in raw votes, and democrats may get the house of delegates. I guess we might get an answer if sanctuaries land on the governor’s desk. In the meantime, read up on my musings for a better future, or not. I might be too centrist for you.

so big picture... which way will this conversation go?



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Party loyalists are the worst.

Yeah man, weren’t people who opposed the nazis due to party loyalty just the worst?

Who are you talking about? The communist party? Because the Nazis didn't win a majority of the vote, but only took control of the government because the Social Democratic Clinton Party supported them because they hated Bernie more than they hated Trump.

But, ok, Nazis are the worst. People who oppose Nazis out of party loyalty are the second worst. You are the third worst.

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#ThankYouHillary for your leadership. Last night’s victory was possible because of the path you have paved (and continue to pave).

All thanks and praise to the Dear Leader. In her wisdom and grace she was crucified on the Golgotha of 2016, that our souls might be saved.

ETA what's wrong with the twitter embed thing now?

LOL

fu hillary just go away already.

Technically that's true. With Hillary in office, there's no way that the Dems do that well in Virginia.

Not sure, but my suspicion is it doesn't change much. Intra-party fighting will only get worse as the trend toward hyper tribalism continues.

This is one area where I think the long term trends most noticeable on the right have also become obvious on the left. I've been pretty stunned by how fervently the Bernie and Hillary crowds have continued to fight with each other, now a year and a half after the primary ended.