The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 219 - Politics and Economics

Dems should clearly abandon civil rights and re-enslave black people. I mean, Lincoln, a republican, freed the slaves, and clearly any reform originally championed by republicans is bad...

/dumb logic

10-20-2017 , 11:00 AM

#5452

sylar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Yes, Democrats can achieve reform as long as it is the the type reform that was originally championed by the Republicans. Great success!

Not to start another derail, but one of Dale Carnegie's ways to influence people is making the other party think it is their idea.

10-20-2017 , 11:13 AM

#5453

microbet

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Sylar,

I don't really want to research this all, but it's not just contributions. She sponsored a bill to restrict federal regulations of payday loans.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...k-donations-a/

The NRA has nothing to do anything I said. I'm not pushing the Republican opposition. But, yes, I will vote for an unprincipled hack in the pockets of a bad actor over an unprincipled hack in the pockets of a worse actor.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting in the soviets and civil rights paragraph, but I like people who are honest and advocate for good things even if they coincide with soviet propaganda or whatever.

10-20-2017 , 11:30 AM

#5454

sylar

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NRA was a reference to bernie's skeletons. They gave him his political start and then he turned on them.

Do you want to switch to talking about payday lender policies, or keep talking about the dnc thing?

10-20-2017 , 11:39 AM

#5455

Louis Cyphre

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

You are right that is totally the same thing and exactly what I meant. You are not distorting my position to the point of being unrecognizable at all.

10-20-2017 , 11:42 AM

#5456

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Neither really, but what DNC thing? As I've said I dislike even the idea of parties. My thing with the DNC is that they have people who suck. I hope they get rid of people who suck and promote people who are cool. I would pay no attention to it except if I want to exercise the teeny bit of choice I have in something like a presidential election I have to vote for one of these parties.

10-20-2017 , 12:10 PM

#5457

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

Yes, Democrats can achieve reform as long as it is the the type reform that was originally championed by the Republicans. Great success!

-obama issued a directive to phase out private prisons at the federal level

-holder issued a directive for DEA not to go after state-compliant MMJ/rec weed businesses

-countless directives aimed at providing equal standing and legal treatment to gays

-a directive to federal prosecutors to be more lenient in charging drug offenders

etc etc etc, none of which was ever championed by republicans.

i mean **** the DNC but seriously gtfo with this atrocious false equivalency between the two parties

10-20-2017 , 03:12 PM

#5458

JoltinJake

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sylar

ASPoker, you probably think you landed a good one with "scumbag ... on the right team" comment, but that's exactly what I'm talking about. I am not advocating that we forget about the scumbag's skeletons, the proverbial money changers will get their comeuppance. I am saying for progress we will need all the allies we can find.

Ok, but they don't need to be in positions of leadership in the DNC.

As microbet posted above, the DNC has too many people who suck. If you are obviously one of those people, I want you to be replaced by someone who does not suck. Brazile and DWS are not borderline, unknowable cases.

The old boys and girls club comment was not primarily meant as a critique of the DNC being too homogeneous. I probably should have used a different phrase. I meant the emphasis to be on the "club" part. Hopefully Perez and some of the new people they are bringing in will change the atmosphere.

10-21-2017 , 09:38 AM

#5459

sportsjefe

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Democrats are hoping hoping hoping that being able to shut down any dissent by screaming "YOU CAN'T 'BOTH SIDES' US" is going to take the pressure off of them to actually, you know... do good things.

The reason Democrats want everything to be about race and gender and not class is because of who funds them. If you get to claim that the people who want or would benefit from highly progressive programs like single payer are actually racists, not economically anxious, then you don't actually have to advocate for those things. And the corporate folks who pay your salary will continue to pay your salary.

10-21-2017 , 09:46 AM

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It isn't fair, but they need to run authentic white males. Who aren't rich. Unfortunately there are basically zero people like this in the Democratic Party, they're all whores. Except Biden, I guess.

10-21-2017 , 09:54 AM

#5461

awval999

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Originally Posted by Riverman

It isn't fair, but they need to run authentic white males. Who aren't rich. Unfortunately there are basically zero people like this in the Democratic Party, they're all whores. Except Biden, I guess.

There's plenty. Just go down the Senate list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curren..._States_Senate

10-21-2017 , 10:04 AM

#5462

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Originally Posted by Riverman

It isn't fair, but they need to run authentic white males. Who aren't rich. Unfortunately there are basically zero people like this in the Democratic Party, they're all whores. Except Biden, I guess.

Can't. It'd drive away their 'woke' feminist and minority voters.

10-21-2017 , 12:34 PM

#5463

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Wtf is going on? If the dems make it policy to nominate a white male, they absolutely will drive me away. If you think won't vote for someone in the primary because they aren't a white male, you need to rethink.

10-21-2017 , 12:38 PM

#5464

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Originally Posted by awval999

There's plenty. Just go down the Senate list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curren..._States_Senate

We are not listing the whites in the party. Jesus Christ.

10-21-2017 , 12:40 PM

#5465

SuperUberBob

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Originally Posted by microbet

Wtf is going on? If the dems make it policy to nominate a white male, they absolutely will drive me away.

I find it unlikely that they'll actually make a hardened policy about it but it would be typical for the Democrats to mimic elements of what the winning party did in the last election.

What we can say for sure is that the establishment Democrats have successfully suppressed the progressive Democrats for now. The enormous changes that we want in healthcare and tax reform are unlikely to come in the near future as a result.

10-22-2017 , 11:18 AM

#5466

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

it would be typical for the Democrats to mimic elements of what the winning party did in the last election.

Isn't this the main evidence the Left uses for their strategy of "Go hard to the paint on everything 100% of the time"? Because Trump won.

10-22-2017 , 12:12 PM

#5467

champstark

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Carter Firing Shots Everywhere

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Indeed, Carter was harder on Obama during the interview than he was on Trump. Both Carter and Trump had stern, demanding fathers. “Daddy expected me to be perfect,” Carter told me. “So I obeyed his orders and his wishes.”

Saying that he did not think “there’s much hope now that Israelis will ever permit a two-state solution,” he knocked Obama on the Middle East: “He made some very wonderful statements, in my opinion, when he first got in office, and then he reneged on that.”

Recalling that “we have 22 votes in our family and Obama got all 22 of them,” he complained that Obama had “refused” to talk to North Korea more, and then Carter lamented the fact that Obama joined in the bombing of Yemen, which Carter says is the most interesting place he’s ever been. (He even tried chewing khat, an addictive shrub that acts like amphetamines.)

I asked if he had Obama’s email address.

“No,” he said flatly.

I wondered about his relationship with other presidents, given his body language in the famous picture where he stood off to the side, which he told Brian Williams was deliberate because “I feel that my role as a former president is probably superior to that of other presidents.”

“I had my best relationship, when he was in office, with George H. W. Bush,” he said.

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Carter noted that in the primary, “We voted for Sanders.”

I asked the famously ethical Carter what he made of Obama’s post-presidential string of $400,000 speeches.

“I don’t care if he gets rich or Clinton gets rich or whatever,” he said. “I don’t want to get into a bragging position; I’m not trying to do that. But I announced when I was defeated I was not going to be on corporate boards, I was not going to try to enrich myself with speeches. I was patterning my policy after Harry Truman.”

When I compared the Clinton Foundation with the Carter Center, Carter noted: “Rosie and I put money in the Carter Center. We never take any out.”

10-22-2017 , 03:24 PM

#5468

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I'm pretty sure Carter didn't talk like he was voting for Bernie before the primaries and I was looking and hoping for something from him.

10-22-2017 , 03:33 PM

#5469

Trolly McTrollson

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Carter 2020!

10-22-2017 , 04:18 PM

#5470

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by sportsjefe

Can't. It'd drive away their 'woke' feminist and minority voters.

Ah yes, the notoriously anti-white and misandrist Democratic party.

10-22-2017 , 05:28 PM

#5471

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by champstark

Carter Firing Shots Everywhere

Lol at the Trump apologetics. Guess his feelings are hurt that Democrats don’t really care what he has to say anymore and don’t recognize his status as a “superior” former president.