The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 215 - Politics and Economics

Imagine if all the racists and *******s outed themselves for trump, he did basically nothing because he's an incompetent moron and then the backlash buried them all for good. That's the world I want to believe in.

It's a possible reality. Trump is like Jamie Gold and the GOP are his backers with a lot of their roll tied up in a long term backing arrangement. The "play your cards face up and tell everyone exactly what you have," the Jamie-Gold-at-the-2006-WSOP-ME strategy, analogous to Trump making the GOP transparently more stupid and racist, was surprisingly successful and they run super hot, capturing big wins the doubters would never predict. Partly because no one believers Gold/Trump are this transparently dumb and honest about it, and partly because sometimes the deck hits you in the face anyway.

But now you gotta roll with this horse long term. And everyone acknowledges the "just transparently tell people what you have and let everyone know you're dumb and racist" has liabilities as a strategy, just like "tell your opponents the contents of your hand" strategy is fraught with problems.

That can't feel good to be on that side of it.

Obviously being a Democrat right now is no great shakes either. But no one with stakes in the Trump Presidency is sleeping well either imo. The whole Faustian bargain for conventional GOPers to line up behind this guy was that you got some tax cuts, or at least minimally kept HRC out of the White House, and you didn't shoot yourself in the face in the process.

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09-15-2017 , 05:13 AM

#5352

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

LOL. TO THE TAPE

"All I did was ask if it was unpatriotic and I decided no" "I commend his peaceful protest" LOL Lestat did you think we can't find P7 posts anymore??? Holy **** what a trainwreck

DAT TAPE

09-15-2017 , 09:51 AM

#5353

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Should the left be congratulatory towards Trump when he makes deals that benefit liberal ideology and step away from white supremacy? I mean if he's an insecure egomaniac who only thinks at the zero level then why not exploit that by commending him when he gets deals done with Democrats?

The far bigger prize is to get those who voted for him to start believing they always supported any good outcomes. If that means stroking trump's ego then who cares?

If, for example, there is somehow a decent deal on health care then even if trump claims it's a bigly 'repeal and replace' victory, getting a decent chunk of trump supporters to take ownership of would be a massive win for the future of healthcare.

09-15-2017 , 12:25 PM

#5354

Riverman

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People like lestat getting destroyed with their own words is one of the internet's greatest pleasures

09-15-2017 , 12:31 PM

#5355

stinkubus

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Meh, any exchanges with him turn into giant AIDS-fests where the same tired old arguments are raised and debunked again and again. The thread turns unreadable for several pages until Lestat decides to take his ball and go home for the day. He's a poor man's ikestoys.

09-15-2017 , 12:41 PM

#5356

Riverman

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LOL I never actually read his nonsense, I just skip to the goofyballer posts dunking on him.

09-15-2017 , 06:53 PM

#5357

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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Would love to see Trump flip to the Dems.

It'd be like the type of move you see in professional wrestling when a wrestler turns heel on his friends.

09-15-2017 , 06:57 PM

#5358

iron81

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The term you're looking for is "face turn".

09-15-2017 , 07:06 PM

#5359

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

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In the eyes of the GOP, he would be a heel.

To us of course, flipping to the dems would be a face turn.

Haven't watched pro wrestling since the attitude era.

09-27-2017 , 11:42 AM

#5360

tomdemaine

Just tries harder

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Note : The Democratic Party currently control 0 branches of government.

10-07-2017 , 08:32 AM

#5361

DVaut1

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cfa7cbeb7a4e

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Former vice president Joe Biden returned to national politics Tuesday during an afternoon rally in Alabama for Democratic Senate nominee Doug Jones, and his speech was a striking departure from his party’s current tone.

As Jones smiled from across the podium, Biden treated the crowd of about 1,000 people to a riff on the Senate’s glory days — days when the party included segregationists.

“I’ve been around so long, I worked with James Eastland,” said Biden, referring to a segregationist senator from Mississippi. “Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You’d get up and you’d argue like the devil with them. Then you’d go down and have lunch or dinner together. The political system worked. We were divided on issues, but the political system worked.”

sigh

10-07-2017 , 10:07 AM

#5362

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For Democrats, one of the most important races for governor next year is taking shape in Illinois. Bruce Rauner, the state’s venture-capitalist-turned-governor,*is a union-busting, Scott Walker wannabe whose approval ratings have been wrecked by his obsession with spending cuts and his*failure to pass a budget for more than two years. Rauner is perhaps the*most vulnerable Republican governor running for reelection in 2018—in one of the biggest and bluest states.

But Rauner isn’t the only thing standing in the way of a liberal victory in Illinois. Six months before Democrats have even held their primary, party leaders have already*lined up*behind a venture capitalist of their own: J.B. Pritzker, an heir to the Hyatt Hotel fortune who, along with his wife, contributed nearly $20 million to support Hillary Clinton last year.

....

Like Trump, Pritzker has also used the tax code to his own advantage, buying a historic Gold Coast mansion next door to his own, letting it fall into disrepair, then arguing that it was “uninhabitable”—a move that saved him $230,000 in property taxes. And like Trump, he is trailed by scandal. In 2008, at a time when then–Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich was under federal investigation for soliciting bribes, Pritzker was caught on tape urging Blagojevich to appoint him to political office. Four days after Pritzker and his wife donated $100,000 to Blagojevich’s 2006 reelection bid, the governor announced a $1 million grant for a Holocaust museum that Pritzker was raising money to build.

But it’s the size of Pritzker’s wallet, not the strength of his ideas, that has endeared him to party leaders

Populism all around

https://newrepublic.com/article/1450...ampaign=buffer

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10-07-2017 , 11:15 AM

#5363

Huehuecoyotl

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Bernie doesn't want to hear this but segregationists can be patriotic too. It's true! But he doesn't want to hear it.

10-09-2017 , 10:10 AM

#5364

champstark

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Feinstein running for reelection.

California bros, when the time comes, let me know who I need to donate to that's running against her.

10-09-2017 , 12:28 PM

#5365

UsedToBeGood

adept

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Feinstein running for reelection.

California bros, when the time comes, let me know who I need to donate to that's running against her.

No chance. Name recognition too strong. Feinstein does a good job of getting herself in the news for super obvious liberal policies that everyone would support (e.g., leading bump stock banning, I've seen previous quotes of her's about abortion [which any democrat would agree with] that have been reposted to Facebook, etc.). To really understand how god awful she is, would take a few minutes of reading, research, or listening with an open mind to overcome the name recognition and the positive associations with her publicity. That's just not going to happen for enough people.

10-09-2017 , 12:36 PM

#5366

microbet

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Plus a lot of democrats like the police, the war on drugs, having a lot of people in prison, and bombing countries in the ME.

10-10-2017 , 08:19 AM

#5367

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Plus a lot of democrats like the police, the war on drugs, having a lot of people in prison, and bombing countries in the ME.

I'll give you 4 for sure. 1, I guess. 2--I'd be surprised if even 40% of Dems liked the war on drugs at this point. The support for 3 has got to be like 10%.

10-10-2017 , 11:14 AM

#5368

iron81

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I wouldn't want the prison pop to drop more than 75%, barring dramatic change in the crime rate. I guess the question is whether the remaining 25% is "a lot".

10-10-2017 , 11:43 AM

#5369

microbet

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No one says "I like a lot of people in prison", they just put a lot of people there.

40% is a lot. It's definitely enough to keep people like Feinstein winning elections. Hopefully California can do better, but we'll see. Imagine a world where 90% of Republicans want these things and 40% of Democrats do. It doesn't take much imagination.

Iron, cutting the prison population to 25% would still leave us the 45th most imprisoning nation, but that wouldn't be too horrible I guess.

10-10-2017 , 12:28 PM

#5370

hobbes9324

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Meh. Looking at "The sentencing project" website, about as many red as blue states have enacted various things to decrease prison populations - mandatory sentences, "ban-the-box" bills, etc. The AG is a screaming ****wit, but how much that's trickling down at the state level isn't clear.

MM MMD

10-10-2017 , 01:07 PM

#5371

microbet

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Originally Posted by hobbes9324

I think we are past peak imprisoning, but that could change if there's a new wave of people losing their minds over drugs, crime, immigration - which there kinda is. We've got a loooooooong way to go though. When I said reducing prison populations to 25% would make us the 45th in imprisoning I should have put it as something like 140th in not imprisoning.

10-11-2017 , 09:16 PM

#5372

goofyballer

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Texas Democratic Party apologizes for tweet blaming campus carry law for Texas Tech shooting

Spineless losers

(not sure if it was posted about here, but a TT freshman was arrested for drug possession or something and shot and killed an officer at the station he was brought to. From the article: "Texas is one of 10 states that allow guns on campus at public universities")

10-11-2017 , 09:41 PM

#5373

master3004

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This ****ing Hannity interview is insane.

10-12-2017 , 06:47 PM

#5374

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by champstark

Feinstein running for reelection.

California bros, when the time comes, let me know who I need to donate to that's running against her.

Rumors that Kevin de Leon, leader of the state Senate, considering a challenge to Feinstein

Quote:

A recent poll found that 50 percent of California's likely voters think Feinstein should retire.

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In the last year, de León has tried to position himself as one of the leaders of the Trump resistance and has steered the state senate toward passing key progressive legislation, notably a gas tax hike and the recent bill declaring California to be a sanctuary state, which he authored. He also signed off on the senate's controversial (and vague) plan to set up a single-payer health care system, which stalled in the State Assembly.