That is a pretty apt description since we just voted in Euron Greyjoy.

Make Iron Islands great again.

Ah yes, that post is just as amazing as I remember it. Like, look at this gem here that AS twisted himself into:

Dude, that's literally what you said in your post! Let's look again:

You present exactly two options: either you were "with her" in any visible way (do you even know who of Max/Wookie/Elliot supported Hillary in the primary?), or you're a progressive! You took anyone who didn't support Bernie and Othered them - or, perhaps I should say, Deplorabled them - right out of the progressive wing of the party! So that's a delicious amount of hypocrisy to display in just the span of two posts, great job dude.

And it doesn't end there - there's the grouping together of progressive liberals and populist conservatives whose interests diverge pretty spectacularly once you look at anything outside of trade policy and suggesting these people get along just fabulously. There's the idea that anyone who voted for Hillary would rather vote for Reagan/Trump types going forward than ever vote for Bernie.

And of course, the icing on the cake, the placement of all your worst enemies in this forum - all of whom spend more time here advocating for progressive policies than you do - in the "authoritarian/bomb everyone" camp, because they voted for the non-authoritarian in the most recent election. That's definitely some well-thought-out, prescient posting and not some self-fellating bull**** you made up to demonstrate how completely out of touch with contemporary liberals you are.

Thanks for showing us all that no matter how big of a disaster this election was, you are still less credible than just about anyone else on the planet to talk about how Democrats fix things from here.

What does irk me are self professed liberals who say things like "well, those rust belt undereducated manufacturing workers should have learned some skills" and then turn around and ask for student loan forgiveness.

One of the mild risks to the future of the Democratic Party, and it is minor, is separating the wheat from the chaff from the Bernie movement going forward. There's a lot of good, positive energy there and Democrats are going to need to leverage it.

But like some portion of the new ersatz Democratic twitter strategists on the internet toting around #2016LessonsLearned are just unreformed Ron Paul voters that found their way to Bernie. Now they're the sharper ones, because admittedly tons of the Ron Paul movement decamped for Trump. You probably know where to find them on the Ron Paul --> Bernie --> "well I've got some advice you now" types on this forum, for instance. These people are simply the pied pipers of liberalism. I suppose a credit to them is most of them don't really purport to be liberals at all. So they're just everyday pied pipers.

Actually, no, dude. I did not, and you did.

On the below stuff, most of your confusion stems from you thinking that when I say the #ImWithHer crowd, I am referring to all people who voted for and/or supported Hillary in some capacity. That's not the case. I supported Hillary to some extent, but I was not #WithHer.

These are all your words and ideas about what I believe. Most of them are incorrect. My worst enemies are certainly not the partisan D types. In fact, I think it's sad that we only get opportunities to partner so infrequently given I share a lot of views, although that will surely change for the better very shortly given an R wielding power.

Also, cute how you cut out the beginning and end of my post when you re-quoted it again, nice one.

Plainly false:

Do you need a remedial lesson on Venn diagrams and ****? Saying Berniebros are progressive democrats does not say all progressive democrats are Berniebros, what is wrong with you?

What's cute about that? I was highlighting the fact that the two groups of liberals you presented were starkly divided based on whether or not they were #WithHer or not.

You also have presented no good reason why someone like MrWookie is an #ImWithHer robot who would sign up for endless war or whatever in a heartbeat, which is easily refuted by, I don't know, ever reading any of his posts? Totally idiotic.

I'm grunching this and not endorsing it, but seems like he's suggesting the new paradigm will be top vs. bottom instead of left vs. right.

But this way lies madness.

Do a fanfic for Idiocracy and flesh out the scenario where we go from present day to Hector Macho Camacho.

What does it mean to be in the green square ?

Seem receptive to Democratic economic populism.

How was HRC not for social welfare? Along what she said, and her policies, it's baked right in.

Realizing that corporations (or the wealthy in general) as well as governments are a threat to individual liberty.

solid strawman, but no one has said that

remember, liberals wanted to make it easier for coal miners to get different jobs this election. Trump promised to bring back manufacturing jobs that simply aren't coming back.

Trump promised free unicorns and the white working class ate it up while putting their critical thinking skills on hold

Slavoj Zizek cites Elon Musk as a thought leader on the necessity of a Universal Basic Income.

This is what I've been saying many times. Any movement that defines itself in terms of moral ideology will be totally unmoored in the next 20 years. Technology and its consequences have primacy now.

Meaningful plans for a decent future must be oriented in terms of technological progress.

hmm, is Musk going to start up a new political party?

Interesting interview, thanks for the link! UBI is something nobody in the mainstream is really seriously talking about even though the conversation needs to be started. Self-driving car/truck technology is here already and within 5-10 years may be fully on the road with regulations in place. This will kill so many jobs from taxi drivers, truck drivers, and plenty of people working in remote rural areas that exist for trucking. This will make a very small amount of people extremely wealthy while creating job loss for millions. We have to find a way to figure out what to do with these workers or else we may have worse problems on our hands than we do now with Trump.

Not a Trump supporter buddy. Of course he isn't going to bring manufacturing jobs back. I doubt Hilary would have done much to help manufacturing workers transition either even though I voted For her.

How is it a straw man? There were plenty of posts stating that manufacturing workers only have themselves to blame.

Some of those same posters were very much pro student loan forgiveness.

A think tank here released a report the other day saying that 40% of existing jobs have a "moderate to high" likelihood of not existing in 10 to 15 years time.

This combined with a longer lifespan thus requiring later retirement age does not bode well especially when most tech companies have a preference for younger workers.

There are going to be a lot of challenges coming. Millenials shouldn't take it out so hard on the older generation because soon they will be the ones left behind by change.

War on middle America? You don't think there are workers on the coasts? I'll be sweating my ass off tomorrow bro. (Yeah, it's crazy hot lately for November)

You seem smart.

Are you positive you didn't vote for trump?

Nobody has said that in the way you seem to understand it.

Those are the true idealists. Left-libertarianism doesn't even exist really anymore, otherwise I'd call myself one. Humans have proven they can't have nice things.

Deep green quadrant reporting in. We should have a political compass thread here. Would be cool to see where all the regs stand

I don't think the author's scope is inter-party differences as much as the Democratic intraparty differences of activist and I guess you call it bourgeoisie liberalism. I mostly posted because I had seen the Buzzfeed's 15 Things To Help You Through the Next Four Years, and the whole safety pin craze juxtaposed from others talking about the need to organize, protest, and start working for the next two years and the latter seems to me to be more proactive than the former.