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The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party

09-05-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn


Abolish the Democratic Party.

ETA Twitter embedding seems broken again? Anyway:
Gonna need to see the Daou authentication numbers before I believe this.
09-05-2017 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
what is the problem with this exactly?
Clintonite strategists beefing with leftist podcasts over twitter follower numbers doesn't strike you as a problem? I mean, if you need some perspective, here's an Austin Powers parody account that has 3x the followers Verrit has. WeRateDogs, which does nothing but post pictures of dogs, has 60x.

But that only makes it worse. The root problem is with the urge to make the comparison at all.

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
how dare you not know something that was never explained to you before?!
No, I feel like a dumbass because I did know.
09-05-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Gonna need to see the Daou authentication numbers before I believe this.
But will you have an authentication number to verify that you do, in fact, believe it?
09-05-2017 , 08:12 PM




https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/905219458989469699

Democrats really have their best guys on this website, their best guys
09-05-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Clintonite strategists beefing with leftist podcasts over twitter follower numbers doesn't strike you as a problem? I mean, if you need some perspective, here's an Austin Powers parody account that has 3x the followers Verrit has. WeRateDogs, which does nothing but post pictures of dogs, has 60x.

But that only makes it worse. The root problem is with the urge to make the comparison at all.
dunno, seems like pretty out there to get upset over these days.
09-05-2017 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
dunno, seems like pretty out there to get upset over these days.
Well, don't get upset over my posting it or anything.
09-05-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
But will you have an authentication number to verify that you do, in fact, believe it?
AS long as they are genuine Daouthenticated codes.

Don’t fall for cheap fakes: Insist on genuine Verrit authentication codes on all your memes
09-05-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
what is the problem with this exactly?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=158

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Originally Posted by microbet
$800M sounds absurd. Anyone surprised by whatever the hell Verritt is is a sucker. I expect the ardent center will be fully on board in theory anyway. In practice this venture will flop way harder than Juicero.

Verritt claims to have been vicitimized by a DOS attack immediately after the HRC endorsement.
09-06-2017 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
well, if it's a scam, sure, that's a problem. otherwise it just seems someone is bad at messaging in less than 140 characters.
09-06-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sylar
well, if it's a scam, sure, that's a problem. otherwise it just seems someone is bad at messaging in less than 140 characters.
It has nothing to do with whether or not it's a scam imo. I mean, it being a money grab somehow is probably part of it, but I don't think anyone is saying it's because it's a scam. I'm sure someone else could explain it better than me. I nominate 6ix.
09-06-2017 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
It has nothing to do with whether or not it's a scam imo. I mean, it being a money grab somehow is probably part of it, but I don't think anyone is saying it's because it's a scam. I'm sure someone else could explain it better than me. I nominate 6ix.
i mean, it's a pretty poor attempt to make something verifiable, so let's assume they are blowing through their startup money to make a worse version of virtually any other shareable site. i guess they are trying to work out if regular internet users care to know for sure someone said something, even if it's in image form. whatevs, maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. i bet it won't become big, and i'm willing to be wrong.

computer security is only kind of mature in this sense, but hrc or feinstein or whoever could just publish content with a signature verifiable by their public key. then you've essentially outsourced this to verisign or google or your IT department.
09-06-2017 , 02:30 AM
They're fighting the wrong war. If they wanted some tech verification they should have made a suggestion to PolitiFact or something. And they need a message that isn't full of **** before they worry about whether or not their message is faithfully received.
09-06-2017 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
They're fighting the wrong war. If they wanted some tech verification they should have made a suggestion to PolitiFact or something. And they need a message that isn't full of **** before they worry about whether or not their message is faithfully received.
sure, but this is making a scandal out of a tweet. messaging hasn't worked since 2004. running on issues hasn't worked since 2000. conspiracies about the clintons from the 80's are still getting airtime. it's not like all democrats getting together behind a magic hashtag will be the silver bullet. there are a lot of attack vectors from gop/neo-nazis/putin, the dnc will need a lot of little things to address most of them.
09-06-2017 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sylar
sure, but this is making a scandal out of a tweet. messaging hasn't worked since 2004. running on issues hasn't worked since 2000. conspiracies about the clintons from the 80's are still getting airtime. it's not like all democrats getting together behind a magic hashtag will be the silver bullet.
I think being pretty close to a regular person who just honestly presents himself with a positive heartfelt and not poll tested agenda got a unknown 74 year old Jewish socialist from a tiny state 43% of the vote.

This Verrit thing reeks of partisans playing political games. If it has an effect on anything, it will be because it backfires.
09-06-2017 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think being pretty close to a regular person who just honestly presents himself with a positive heartfelt and not poll tested agenda got a unknown 74 year old Jewish socialist from a tiny state 43% of the vote.

This Verrit thing reeks of partisans playing political games. If it has an effect on anything, it will be because it backfires.
I think Verrit is just evidence about how out of touch these people are with regular society. They are getting way too high on their own supply to the point where they actually believe that the main reason that Hillary lost was not because Hillary was a bad candidate that came across as uninspiring, out of touch, and inauthentic, but because her ****ing tweets couldn't be verified.
09-06-2017 , 05:45 AM
Verrit is such a self-evidently stupid idea, the fact that these useless dolts got millions of dollars to create it is extremely disheartening.
09-06-2017 , 05:53 AM
Not only are there already a number of search engines that put the vast majority of the world's information at your fingertips assuming you have the ability to articulate a description of the information you are looking for, there are also a number of services that are already dedicated to verifying and archiving various stories and internet rumors. Not only that, but even the act of punching numbers to recall stored info is like two generations behind ****ing barcodes and QR codes.
09-06-2017 , 06:33 AM
09-06-2017 , 09:15 AM
Lol that was good. I'd read page 133.
09-06-2017 , 12:09 PM
Not sure where else to put this, more like Some Hope Left rather than Tragic Death.

GOP Congressman in WA-8 is retiring:

https://patch.com/washington/sammami...eelection-2018

Minor good sign for the Democrats that they're winning a lot of these candidate recruitment / throw-in-the-towel pre-contests. Democrats have won that district at the Presidential level since 1988 but have never held that Congressional seat. A bunch of similar GOP retirements in competitive districts would portend a wave election.
09-06-2017 , 12:20 PM
Good and finally. That useless **** was my congresscritter for much of my life.
09-06-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think being pretty close to a regular person who just honestly presents himself with a positive heartfelt and not poll tested agenda got a unknown 74 year old Jewish socialist from a tiny state 43% of the vote.

This Verrit thing reeks of partisans playing political games. If it has an effect on anything, it will be because it backfires.
an "unknown" 74 year old socialist who refused to be called a democrat for 30 years all of sudden wanted the endorsement of at least some dnc leadership and pouted when he LOST the primaries in every way possible. he also tacitly accepted the benefit of clinton conspiracy theories circulated on twitter, not to mention by wikileaks. oh, and 20% of his supporters didn't show for her anyway.

there are a bunch of things that backfired during and since the campaign. one thing was the simple existence of thousands of memeable quotes from all candidates that are simply fake. yeah, someone got some money to maybe work on that problem and this is what they came up with. big ****ing deal. by the way, field polls and focus groups are a necessity these days, although i understand how you feel dirty that our party engages in them.

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I think Verrit is just evidence about how out of touch these people are with regular society. They are getting way too high on their own supply to the point where they actually believe that the main reason that Hillary lost was not because Hillary was a bad candidate that came across as uninspiring, out of touch, and inauthentic, but because her ****ing tweets couldn't be verified.
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Verrit is such a self-evidently stupid idea, the fact that these useless dolts got millions of dollars to create it is extremely disheartening.
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Not only are there already a number of search engines that put the vast majority of the world's information at your fingertips assuming you have the ability to articulate a description of the information you are looking for, there are also a number of services that are already dedicated to verifying and archiving various stories and internet rumors. Not only that, but even the act of punching numbers to recall stored info is like two generations behind ****ing barcodes and QR codes.
yes, it may be turn out to be stupid, but if you think the same type of people who are fooled by fake quotes are savvy enough to figure out QR codes, you are mistaken.
09-06-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
an "unknown" 74 year old socialist who refused to be called a democrat for 30 years all of sudden wanted the endorsement of at least some dnc leadership and pouted when he LOST the primaries in every way possible. he also tacitly accepted the benefit of clinton conspiracy theories circulated on twitter, not to mention by wikileaks. oh, and 20% of his supporters didn't show for her anyway.

there are a bunch of things that backfired during and since the campaign. one thing was the simple existence of thousands of memeable quotes from all candidates that are simply fake. yeah, someone got some money to maybe work on that problem and this is what they came up with. big ****ing deal. by the way, field polls and focus groups are a necessity these days, although i understand how you feel dirty that our party engages in them.
It's not my party. It's the lesser of two evils in a very undemocratic electoral system. To be fair though I would never join any political party.

I have no respect for the parties and outsiders using them because they are the only path to power is something I fully approve of.
09-06-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
It's not my party. It's the lesser of two evils in a very undemocratic electoral system. To be fair though I would never join any political party.

I have no respect for the parties and outsiders using them because they are the only path to power is something I fully approve of.
calling it the lesser evil is problematic, because unfortunately, there is no such thing as a party-less will of the people, or even a cohesive left-wing. we all have way too many ideas, and even more things to say on how to achieve them. unless we organize and start coming up with platforms, we won't ever challenge the OTHER PARTY in a meaningful way. in that way, you are throwing shade on the only party that's actually close to your world view.

i think i am as complicit as you, in that i'm a registered democrat, but besides voting for their candidates, i don't really participate in the platform. i am not involved, i didn't run for any office, within the party or on any level of government. i also didn't recruit anyone else to do that. that's a problem. that's why my ideas and things to say are not being heard by the democratic leadership. it's really not because hillary didn't have a regular person representing my exact thoughts close to her at all times during the campaign. that's ... unrealistic.
09-06-2017 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Verrit is such a self-evidently stupid idea, the fact that these useless dolts got millions of dollars to create it is extremely disheartening.
Did they, though? Like I guess anything is possible in the wacky world of the Democratic Party machine, but an emotionally unstable founder getting millions to start a crappy website based on an objectively dumb premise sounds...dubious.

Then again, counterpoint: Juicero.

      
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