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Originally Posted by FlyWf
OK but like, as recently as one post ago and again later in this post you say Dems play too much identity politics instead of focusing on class. That's a right wing strawman, of course, but WHAT? If the Democrats of Hillary Rodham Clinton are too far left on social issues and too far left on fiscal issues, my dude, you're just a Republican.
So you side with my friend who said it's impossible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative?
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Nope! Your main argument is that I hurt your feelings and you want it to stop.
You spend enough time responding to my posts that you should seriously reconsider what my argument really is and what I'm trying to get at. Do you honestly think I care about my feelings being hurt on this forum? And if so, why would I continue giving you guys so much ammunition to do it? The answer is, I care passionately about the racial inequality that continues to exist in this country. I care deeply about the poor, the elderly, and the sick. And I think how we treat these people is the means of how we measure the worth of a society.
But our society as it is, falls far short on these matters, doesn't it? We've let these groups down time and time again. We just have different views on a). What the root cause of these problems are, and b). Why they persist.
It would be great if we could snap our fingers or shout at people loud enough and alakazam! No one is a racist anymore! But that still wouldn't solve anything. Why? Because as is shown, society would still lack empathy for blacks and minorities for the very same reasons there is no empathy for the sick, the disabled, the children who are poor, or the elderly who are poor.
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But he's not lying. And you're not lying. You're just wrong.
Well, we'd have to overlook the countless times you've called me liar, but I've never said I can't be wrong. I might be wrong on a lot of things. These are complex issues and I'll concede you are much more versed and eloquent on the topics of racism and politics in general than I am. But i like evidence. I like facts and truth. But I have a very difficult time seeing whatever truth and facts you present in the midst of all the hyperbole you like to spout.
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You, because of an exclusively hard right media diet that you think is centrist or leftist, don't realize it, but like every ****ing view you have on race is absolutely reprehensible.
You're giving me far more credit than I deserve. If I truly am spouting off pitch perfect right wing media points I must be pretty goddamn smart not having read a single right wing media blog. I'm incorrectly coming up with wrong **** on my own that conservatives spend their life work coming up with.
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When we tell you that you're racist, we're not calling you a liar(I mean, you are a liar, but not about this, you really sincerely believe your own horse**** here), we're CORRECTING YOU. You're so sheltered in a bubble of Rubin Reports and Milo Youtubes that you don't have any ****ing idea how non-racists talk about this ****.
Don't even know what a Rubin Report is and I've watched like two Milo YouTube videos. You're obviously well versed on both sides to know both conservative and liberal media. I'm not even sure I know what the Democratic platform is (I thought I did). I'm pretty much to politics how Dawkins refers to atheists. I'm more a cat that thinks independently and can't be herded so easily. But what exactly are you correcting me on? That you can't be for lowering corporate taxes and some regulations while still being socially liberal? That you can't be against racism, while trying to understand why some Trump voters had issues more concerning to them that they incorrectly overlooked his racism? That you can't commend Kaepernick for having the courage to protest while understanding why owners might not want to alienate a portion of their fan base and roster a backup QB who might become a distraction to the team? Yeah, I'm guilty at trying to see both sides of all these issues and I don't land as hard on your side as you'd like me to so therefore I'm an irredeemable Trump voting racist?
I come on here so I have a very good idea how you non-racists talk about this ****. It's agree with everything we say or you're a piece of **** racist. I don't always agree with you though. So once again, I'm an irredeemable racist. I was privately PM'd by a poster who warned that "they ban people who don't agree with their views'. My response was that I've been posting on the 2p2 forums for +10 years. I would hope the forum owners DS and MM would have my back. I've always tried to be respectful until someone is rude to me. I come here to learn and lord knows I've been wrong a ton and have changed many of my views on things. Maybe I'll come around to your way of thinking eventually. But you gotta hit me with more facts and data and less hyperbole.