Democrats: a better way to vote. (inspired by pod save America)

I got it: Democrats - Bigger Marginal Tax Rates In The High Brackets So That Government Can Provide Essential Services To Those In Need. I'll have my guy mock up some signs and stickers.

As long as the DNC's best and brightest are spending their efforts workshopping snappy slogans the country is ****ed. I'm pretty god damn sure "we need a better catch phrase" is the wrong answer to every question. It's stupidly trying to reverse-engineer a political platform.

"If you slogan it, it will come"?

**** that. Fight for actual policies that will help people and improve the country. The god damn slogans will come about on their own.

To a certain extent I agree in that I find the worst part of the article to be Nancy Pelosi insisting with typical hubris "it's not a course correction, but a presentation correction."

With that said, Democrats actually do want policies that would improve people's lives. Not to the extent that the left would want, but e.g. I'm confident a $10 federal min wage (at least) tied to inflation passes a Dem-controlled Congress. Dems have moved left on healthcare and education. Booker of all people has put a "pause" on taking Big Pharma money - lol but it's a step in the right direction. The Dems really do have a better deal, even if it's not as good as it should be. And they need to win elections to make anything happen, and part of that involves marketing and slogans.

I doubt they are reverse engineering their platform from the slogan, but even if they are, they can do a lot worse than modeling it after a slogan deliberately designed to evoke the New Deal.

Yep.

Identity politics has been proven not to work.

Vague promises of change has been a proven winning strategy for both sides.

Let's do what works.

Let's start winning again.

Embracing identity politics was what distinguished Trump. His message is make america great=white again.

Right. Identity politics works when your identity is the majority. That's the can of worms Democrats opened.

hahahahaha wow, if only Democrats hadn't opened Pandora's box the right would never have been so racist, that's scorching

The difference between MAGA and "I'm with her" is that MAGA at least promises some sort of change/betterment to the country and its voters, notice the first and last words in the slogan, while "I'm with her" essentially says "vote for me because I'm a woman."

it wasn't b/c of the slogan even tho obv his crushed hers.

it was because she was going around saying "everything is great". Can't campaign much dumber than that in politics.

I think "A Better Deal" is really good. Speaks to people's everyday life, makes allusion to the New Deal, and it's vague enough that you can slap it on the end of any ad. You can imagine it at the end of an ad about healthcare, or apprenticeships, or veterans services, or whatever. Beats hell out of the horrific "Stronger Together" or the unspeakable "I'm With Her".

The difference is Trump didn't set out to have MAGA be his slogan and focus group that ****. It's just another stupid thing that came out of his mouth one day that happened to catch on. It worked because it was honestly Trump, in all its blustery vapidity.

Democrat slogans never sound honestly anything. They sound exactly like the uninspired creation of some out of touch PR department that they are.

idk the history of "hope and change", but I'd be willing to bet the Obama campaign didn't set out to have that be a catch phrase. It probably started as standard stump speech line that got a good response and took off on its own.

What else am I supposed to think when people talk about the 'destiny of demographics'?

To a lot of people that is literally the plan, that there will be more hispanics, blacks, etc. and they'll all vote D and the country will be right again.

To a large degree trump won the GE just because of a few things, gouvernent wear - the pattern that we tend to swap gouverning party every 8 years. And the polarization, people arent going to swap to the other side no matter what because they are morally alien.

Then alot of smaller factors plays in. The working class got a leader for once, only 2% iirc of congress has a working class background. Trump is upper class economically but culturally hes right in there with the white workers it seems. A good example is his directness and being non PC, both which are important norms in the white working class.

Then also add in that his weird way of talking lets anyone interpret whatever they want out of it.

And of course his appeal to industrial nostalgia and the xenopobia which is key for the white workers.

The big question is why he didnt and dont seem to pay a penalty for his brask behaviour. Malcomn Gladwell appeared on meet the press and made a good point about this. The most central idea in politics is that you pay whenever you dont stay true to yourself, which means that everyone knew what type of person trump was early on and therefore the reoccuring outrageous behaviour is something that people were already aware of as a part of his personality and already accepted about him. Therefore it didnt have the downward effect most ppl would predict.

It's not that they will all vote D. It's that they will almost all vote against white supremacy. Which won't make everything right again, but it will end a wrong that has been ongoing for a very long time.

If the right to vote survives then yes, white supremacy is terminal.

The alt right crowd is quite open and direct about this and they have tons of support from 'normal' people.

Part of what has made white supremacy very durable is that what it means to be 'white' has been very amorphous and shifted. I'm not convinced white supremacy is terminal. So long as being white has advantages, it may be surprisingly persistent and evolve in unexpected ways.

I agree our current political zeigeist and the way white supremacy manifests politically will change considerably. I am equally confident in-group/out-group politicking will likely survive as long as we do and malleable social constructs like race may simple transform along with society.

That is to say: will Republicans forever be able to dogwhistle or be transparently bigoted like Trump, calling Hispanic immigrants bad hombres and whatever else? No. Will political rhetoric say 50 years from now still valorize whatever the perception of white culture is at the time, and holds out as an enemy and a threat some non-white groups? More likely.

I think for the reference, the absurdity and really the honesty they should go for "Endeavor to Persevere".

To follow up on my "Better Deal" posts from yesterday, Schumer has just penned an op ed for NYT laying out a rough platform.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/o...democrats.html

Cmon bros. This sounds good. It addresses many criticisms from this forum. It includes language that I believe is directly taken from Liz Warren. Here is the big picture of the plan.

And check out this language.

This isn't presto, Dem party fixed, but it at least makes it look like they're headed in the right direction.

Reminder:



Some people on the left are literally going to ensure a bunch of Republicans are anointed saviors of the Republic. These people are so ****ing excited and titillated by bipartisan consensus they're going to make sure Lisa ****ing Murkowski is the standard bearer of the respectable political class. Protestors went to jail, people in wheelchairs got dragged out of Senate offices by the cops and Neera Tanden is giving the Profiles in Courage award to Shelley Capito. My lord.

Politically adept Republicans in this county have it made. Never has life been made so easy for them. They either win with Trump and they win when Trump is defeated simply because Democrats don't have a ****ing clue how to respond to defections in Prisoner's Dilemma type games. They're just going to get triggered over and over by the great mass of strategic GOPers who will play both sides of it. If Trump is popular, establishment Republicans will be behind him. If he's doing unpopular stuff, they'll wait for Democrats to cheer them on and give them all the political cover they need. It's literally a can't lose ****ing strategy because our side is so enamored with finding some Republican they can heap praise on to prove our reasonableness to the WSJ editorial board.

Also, it *has* to be a woman. Just *has* to be.

Just wait until Donald Trump realizes he's deeply unpopular and in the run up to 2020 starts dreaming up ideas like Medicare for All and making college tuition and debt free and Democrats praise him for all his ingenious moderation and political ingenuity to craft those new and exciting policies. Rest assured if we ever get Medicare for All, the Democrats will make sure all the praise goes to the brave and courageous Republicans who put country over party.

I mean I realize it's perhaps a little outside of the standards, but have Democrats considered petitioning Trump to give Mitch McConnell a Distinguished Service Cross for his courage to not nuke the filibuster yet? I'm not saying a Medal of Honor, and I realize these honors typically go to people who fight in wars, but it would something nice to show him how much we appreciate his political courage to maintain decency and fair play in the Senate. This has been a rough and tumble political battle and we want to show that we're all countrymen and share the same goals here. Someone make a change.org petition to get his done. Imagine if we defeat Trumpcare AND the traditions of the Senate are maintained, including the filibuster? I think some sort of parade and national memorial in honor of the entire GOP caucus is in order, really bring some bipartisanship back to Washington.

how can he sit there and say **** like this in the first paragraph when he's co-sponsoring a bill with republicans to make boycotting israeli products on political grounds a felony crime for american business owners?

These people are going to donate to Ted Cruz when he tries to primary Trump in 2020

Excited for the American Progress wing of the Resist movement encouraging everyone to support the Democratic ticket of Ben Sasse/Joe Manchin in 2020.