The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 135 - Politics and Economics

Yeah this is part of the deep pathology of Trump voters. They'll defend him and his actions by saying "It's the will of the people!" But then they openly admit he got way less votes. About 3 million less. Clearly NOT the will of the people, in fact.

03-19-2017 , 09:58 AM

#3352

Minirra

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Eh, some of the lower-level ones did buy into the "3-5 million illegal votes that went 100% to Hillary," or at least last I heard. I'm pretty sure Trump could have said 30 million and it would seem just as plausible.

03-19-2017 , 10:09 AM

#3353

FlyWf

It's the other way

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awval is still trying to relive those glory days of early November when everyone who laughed at him because it takes him 30 minutes to read the nutritional information off the back of a candy bar at the grocery store got theirs.

03-19-2017 , 10:12 AM

#3354

Trolly McTrollson

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Shouting "Scoreboard!" is the last resort for these guys. Zero interest in policy, zero concerns about the people who are hurt by the ******* they supported. Just super stoked their team won on a technicality.

03-19-2017 , 02:50 PM

#3355

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

awval is still trying to relive those glory days of early November when everyone who laughed at him because it takes him 30 minutes to read the nutritional information off the back of a candy bar at the grocery store got theirs.

I have doctorate degree... What the hell are you smoking Fly?

03-19-2017 , 06:01 PM

#3356

stinkubus

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So does David Duke.

03-19-2017 , 06:52 PM

#3357

Paul McSwizzle

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Originally Posted by awval999

I have doctorate degree... What the hell are you smoking Fly?

I will take the under.

Also it's unreal how frequently "I have accomplished X outside of this forum" is used to defend poor posting in this forum.

03-19-2017 , 08:46 PM

#3358

FlyWf

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awval you voted for Donald J Trump

03-19-2017 , 09:09 PM

#3359

2OutsNoProb

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

It's all they have left. You literally see these people all across different forums with no argument other than "WE WON! ZOMG YOU SNOWFLAKES HURHURHUR HILLARY LOST YOU LIBTARDS WERE WRONG ABOUT HIS PATH TO 270!"

Anything to deflect from how awful and ineffective he is.

03-19-2017 , 09:53 PM

#3360

pvn

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TRUMP is a mortal lock for 2020

03-20-2017 , 02:54 AM

#3361

HastenDan

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Remember ya'll

Quote:

Originally Posted by @PeterDaou

28. The original problem, the root cause of our dilemma, is the character assassination of Hillary in 2016. Trump is just a by-product.

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18. Sanders/Stein supporters threw dollar bills at her in the street, one of the most repugnant political spectacles in American history.

His whole "tweetstorm" is a complete joke. Nonzero chance he is posting itf, if so: Hi Pete! GTFO ya scumbag.

03-20-2017 , 04:56 AM

#3362

5ive

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Yeah and Stein is pretty much confirmed 'working for' Russia at this point, right?

I mean, Danny and Co, when you really get going and start gleefully trotting out all the catchphrases and memes, and see a bunch of Russians in the corner rubbing their hands together and cackling, does it give you any pause, and do you ever think, damn, I know there's some truth to all this but maybe in the end we got played, hard?

03-20-2017 , 04:57 AM

#3363

5ive

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Sweet-ass trumpquotes around the word tweetstorm btw.

03-20-2017 , 04:59 AM

#3364

5ive

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

i.e. taking back his country

03-20-2017 , 08:38 AM

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Riverman

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Frank Rich plagiarizes us

03-20-2017 , 08:58 AM

#3366

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Frank Rich plagiarizes us

Fixed link

03-20-2017 , 09:22 AM

#3367

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Riverman

Frank Rich plagiarizes us

Ya done copy pasted wrong.

03-20-2017 , 10:50 AM

#3368

FlyWf

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At no point does that article mention that Trump's base is not the rural poor, but the suburban middle class and the rural rich, which is what makes the liberal handwringing about this extra stupid.

03-20-2017 , 10:51 AM

#3369

FlyWf

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The idea that Trump was a creature of a populist uprising over trade instead of a revanchist backlash to a black President is literally fiction that was invented because milquetoast Acela-corridor centrist pundits are afraid of the r-word.

03-20-2017 , 10:53 AM

#3370

FlyWf

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You gotta be ****ing kidding me

03-20-2017 , 11:16 AM

#3371

+rep_lol

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lol isnt LM an actual real life fake journo acct?

03-20-2017 , 01:33 PM

#3372

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Fixed link

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Democrats don’t need to feel “sympathy” for poor whites to conduct good politics. In a piece for New York magazine, Frank Rich argues that the Democratic Party shouldn’t bother with “sympathy” for white working class Americans who voted for Donald Trump. Better surrender them to the loving death grip of the GOP, he argues, while blaming everyone from Nicholas Kristof to J.D. Vance for a misguided post-election emphasis on these voters.

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Perhaps this is why Rich fundamentally misunderstands the argument for a more populist Democratic Party. It’s not about “feeling sympathy” for poor whites. Emotion is not a substitute for politics. You do not have to feel a certain way toward a certain population to promote policies that will benefit them. Those policies aren’t about them, per se. Poor whites are part of the progressive political project because they are part of society; they matter no more and no less than anyone else in it.

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But there is reason to think that Democrats can win some of these voters (after all, they have done so in the past) and that they can do it without rejecting social liberalism. Pew Research Center reported in January that 52 percent of Republican voters making under $30,000 a year agree that it is the government’s responsibility to ensure access to health care; the same poll showed they are far likelier than wealthy Republicans to do so. Their support for accessible health care is also on the rise: Last March, Pew’s figure for the same demographic stood at only 31 percent. And as Vox’s Jeff Stein reported last week, a new Roosevelt Institute study provides interesting evidence that Michigan Trump voters are mostly open to populist Democrats. There’s a shift underway, and it could benefit Democrats.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1414...-good-politics

03-20-2017 , 01:35 PM

#3373

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

lol isnt LM an actual real life fake journo acct?

Well she's a real person, but she's a British conservative of the "make sh*t up" variety. Basically a British Glenn Beck.

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03-20-2017 , 03:18 PM

#3374

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

At no point does that article mention that Trump's base is not the rural poor, but the suburban middle class and the rural rich, which is what makes the liberal handwringing about this extra stupid.

Right, the recent complete failures of the Democratic party wouldn't be as frustrating if the GOP was actually pursuing a coherent, fact-based narrative, but right now their losing to a group of statements that make no sense to anyone that has spent time in the real world, I mean they don't even make sense when you put them all next to each other.

03-20-2017 , 04:36 PM

#3375

Huehuecoyotl

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https://medium.com/@matthewstoller/s...ee8#.qzt89xrm2

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There’s been a lot of bull**** peddled by the press and by insiders that Neil Gorsuch can’t be beaten, that Democrats don’t have a message. He’s just so qualified, says the American Bar Association, Obama hack Neil Katyal (who is talking his book practicing before the court), and his former clerks. Essentially this is all coming from BigLaw firms. BigLaw firms — both on the Democratic and Republican sides — love a court that rules for their big business clients. He’s so qualified, they argue. Gorsuch is polite, rarely late, and has many leather bound books.

Well Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, in his opening statement at the Gorsuch nominating hearings, isn’t having it. Gorsuch, he said, will fight for big corporations versus actual ‘humans’ in every arena possible.

Whitehouse eviscerated Gorsuch as a payoff to a big conservative political machine. The special interests who financed the campaign to put Gorsuch on the court, he said, “obviously think that you will be worth their money”. Beyond that, he points out, John Roberts sat before the Senate Judiciary Committee and lied that he would just be an unbiased umpire calling balls and strikes. Roberts then went on the court and ruled for big business in every case that came before the court which involved big business. “Once burned, twice shy,” said Whitehouse. Gorsuch will join a court that ruled for big business in everything from class actions to labor to jury systems to voting rights. Whitehouse listed a litany of cases and their impacts, with this one as a particular kicker, “Help insulate investment bankers against fraud claims? Why not?”

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