Did you even mean to respond to me initially? What you're saying makes no sense.

A broken clock is still right twice a day.

Point 1 is where to start. All this protesting that I'm hearing about needs to be refocused here.

2020 is of course important (Tim Kaine? GTFO.), but 2018 is where the main focus has to be. Democrats have to defend TWENTY-FIVE senate seats, including 10 in states that just went for Trump. GOP is only defending 8 senate seats total.

Perhaps even more important are the state races, where who controls redistricting efforts post-census will begin to be determined.

The DNC failed hard in every way this year. The Clintons, DWS, Donna Brazile, and their ilk need to go away and never come back.

After reading Bernie's statement I have a greater respect for him. I hope he works a lot with Trump because that means both will be doing work for the greater good of the country!

Thanks for the link sir!

The establishment people could not irrationally hate Bernie any more than they do. I think the DemE people hate him more than they hate Trump.

I thought he was the uncompromising puritan who could never work with people he disagrees with?

(ducks for incoming)

You got him confused with uncompromising purist Clinton who would be completely ineffective because of her purity.

The tectonic shifts in this election are quite fascinating. Of course Clinton collapsed in the Rust Belt, but she also improved in some southern states.

She overperformed Obamas 2012 margins by 6.7 in Texas, 4.7 in Arizona, 2 in Georgia.

So will the Democrats try to get the Rust Belt back or just go straight for the not totally redneck southern states? Doing both at the same time seems difficult unless they find another extraordinary political talent like Obama, and it seems they won't find that.

The title pretty much says it all.

The midterms are going to be hard for Democrats as well

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...ng-pile-rubble

The democrats could forget about the rust belt and concentrate on TX, FL, AZ, NC.

Texas is not going blue for a long long time. If ever.

Maybe if you were not a Yank and a bit more aware of politics in the rest of the world, you would understand that establishment stiffs the working guy is a pretty good summary of left wing thinking and socialism in general.

Its narrative that has belonged to the left for years and years, Trump might have appropriated it, but god forbid Bernie explain the election in terms relevant to his ideological grounding.

Indeed Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of the the Labour party, the opposition party in the UK (insert patronising waffle here) framed his explanation in very similar terms:

Why?

Because he is ideologically grounded in a similar left of centre way to Bernie and the language used is not some astonishing endorsement of Trump voters but simply the expected and normal way a left of centre perspective is going to frame Trumps victory.

God knows why you chose to be such a douche bag in your reply to me, internet gonna internet.

Also would like to point out that Yanklandia#196 lost all patronising privileges for at least 4 years.

There's a place in hell for xenophobic racists, but the inner circle is for anyone who wants to tax capital gains as ordinary income.

Still, lol soccer.

Shhh now American.

I think you're missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying that Sanders' outreach to Trump is a betrayal of socialism. I'm saying that it's very hard for Hillary to run as a competent center-left establishment politician when the left is validating many of the attacks that the right wants to make on her.

Senator Sanders says he'd advise opposition to Trump's racism, sexism and xenophobia if they're expressed in government at all. But it's far from astonishing that Sanders would second Trump's economic protectionism, because that was Sanders' own whole (and practically sole) policy.

This, on the other hand, is pretty astonishing:--

Not sure what the senator was trying to say there.

Oaf,

You know I'm kidding right?

Soccer is dumb of course, but so is giving more than three ****s about anyone tossing any kind of ball around.

I think you are missing my point, his framing of the result and why it happened is a very typical framing of the result using typical lefty language appropriated by the Trump.

Bernie wants to explain the world in his terms relevant to his agenda, any relation to Hillary or effect on her, after her defeat, seems irrelevant and moot.

I of course was being deadly deadly deadly with bells on serious.

I am never 100% confident in my sarcasm meter. I am an old.

Vid. starts at 5:20

wat on earth is this take? Like if you just plot a trend line between 2012 and 2016 and extend it to 2020, boom, there's your presumptive results of the next election, wow, Democrats are ****ed?

Demographic trends aren't really helping in the rust belt all that much and the sunbelt states aren't quite there yet to replace them if the WWC voters turn out in these numbers and Dems don't flip some of them. Need to wait for the voter files to know for sure, but it could just be a "figure out how to get female AA's to the polls at 2012 levels and you win" thing but for now we're just guessing.