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02-12-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The bathroom bill was the most public fight the Democrats had? Oh, for sure.



Mother****er do you know what party passed HB2?


Democrats' awful marketing has led them to lose unloseable arguments against LITERALLY REPUBLICANS in the battle for public opinion.

And you still want to spike the football into your nuts again?
02-12-2017 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Heroball
Democrats' awful marketing has led them to lose unloseable arguments against LITERALLY REPUBLICANS in the battle for public opinion.
HB2 is very unpopular, even in NC.
02-12-2017 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
TX, GA, and AZ are flippable in the near future based on changing demographics and a much more highly educated crowd > 25 that hates social conservatism.

Kansas I'm not so sure. Despite Brownback being an incomprehensible disaster there, Trump still won it by 20.6 pts.

At the end of your 2nd paragraph, I assume you meant IA, not VA.
Nope, hill nearly lost VA with a VA VP and as such I think it's looking like a goner soon. It's gonna be ridic lol when they change the rules to split EV and it just gives dems a few points they would've had a 0 otherwise. I said "did it right" as well and with any of the current favorites they've got no shot at KS but 20 points can be overcome if everybody's income goes to total hell in the state and doesn't recover for 4 years. There doesn't appear to be anyone in the party to get them there though, dems badly needed another charismatic IL senator but there are none.

AZ isn't gonna turn D in 4 years as trump will get rid of a lot of D voters by then.

Given the incoming D voter suppression, dems are likely going to have to do what he did--flip a surprise state. Warren seems completely dead with TX but seems to be the best state to try to pull it off but that requires some general policy changes, especially the gun ones. If they don't win TX, they've got to regain a lot of ground in the midwest + get back FL. They're not gonna do it with another east coast lib. Bern's gonna be nearly 80.

Best shot is team trump gets caught so outrageously his own party has to turn on him and it's difficult to be optimistic ever with those, no matter how ridic it turns.

Last edited by wheatrich; 02-12-2017 at 05:51 AM.
02-12-2017 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nope, hill nearly lost VA with a VA VP and as such I think it's looking like a goner soon.
She won by 5.3 points in VA, an improvement over Obama's margin in 2012.
02-12-2017 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by eurodp
Any of you read George Lakoff's books? Came across him recently and read some of his blog posts on politics and Trump. He's a Berkeley cognitive science and linguistics professor. Pretty long blog post here but I found some of the stuff interesting especially halfway through until the end.
https://georgelakoff.com/2016/11/22/...jority-can-do/
I'd include his "Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things" as a top 10 book of the 20th Century. It's a bold claim but I think that book carefully dispels a number of strongly held false assumptions about language and thought. It's like "Godel, Escher, Bach" with a thesis. That said, haven't read his political work.
02-12-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Of course. People are dumb. I'm not saying it's right or that it even makes sense.
You are telling on yourself with this bizarre lie.
02-12-2017 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
AZ isn't gonna turn D in 4 years as trump will get rid of a lot of D voters by then.
Huh? How is Trump going to "get rid of" US citizens in Arizona?
02-12-2017 , 02:54 PM
He's not going to get rid of the citizens, the DOJ simply isn't going to get in the way as the Rs go ham on vote suppression. Even tougher ID laws, closing more poll places, etc.
02-13-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Of course. People are dumb. I'm not saying it's right or that it even makes sense.
But you're advocating abandoning easily winnable fights (that potentially swung the NC governors race) started by the opposition bc some transphobic dude in Michigan might be upset?
02-13-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nope, hill nearly lost VA with a VA VP and as such I think it's looking like a goner soon. It's gonna be ridic lol when they change the rules to split EV and it just gives dems a few points they would've had a 0 otherwise.
She won VA by 5.4%. Obama only won it in 2012 by about 4 points. The reason split EV is being proposed is bc GOP politicians realize they might never win another statewide election again. I think they're right on that front.

This November will be the test, but I think dems are going to come out of, in Virginia at least, looking very strong.
02-13-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
She won VA by 5.4%. Obama only won it in 2012 by about 4 points. The reason split EV is being proposed is bc GOP politicians realize they might never win another statewide election again. I think they're right on that front.

This November will be the test, but I think dems are going to come out of, in Virginia at least, looking very strong.
Yeah, the fact that Virginia seemed scary for an hour or two on election night had more to do with our disbelief in what was happening in the other states than Virginia being under any real threat to go red.
02-13-2017 , 09:19 PM
It seems to me that the main problem the Democrats have is that the current cleavages of the Trump presidency are not relevant for the swing voters in the swing states they lost with the possible exception of Florida.
You need to install a properly left wing vs right wing cleavage not only liberalism vs fascism.
02-13-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nope, hill nearly lost VA with a VA VP and as such I think it's looking like a goner soon. It's gonna be ridic lol when they change the rules to split EV and it just gives dems a few points they would've had a 0 otherwise. I said "did it right" as well and with any of the current favorites they've got no shot at KS but 20 points can be overcome if everybody's income goes to total hell in the state and doesn't recover for 4 years. There doesn't appear to be anyone in the party to get them there though, dems badly needed another charismatic IL senator but there are none.

AZ isn't gonna turn D in 4 years as trump will get rid of a lot of D voters by then.

Given the incoming D voter suppression, dems are likely going to have to do what he did--flip a surprise state. Warren seems completely dead with TX but seems to be the best state to try to pull it off but that requires some general policy changes, especially the gun ones. If they don't win TX, they've got to regain a lot of ground in the midwest + get back FL. They're not gonna do it with another east coast lib. Bern's gonna be nearly 80.

Best shot is team trump gets caught so outrageously his own party has to turn on him and it's difficult to be optimistic ever with those, no matter how ridic it turns.
Oh dear God. How do you flat-out make **** up and think you can post it?

VA, 2012: D margin of victory, 3.9%, 149,000 votes
VA, 2016: D margin of victory, 5.3%, 212,000 votes

How did she "nearly" lose it? She also won ages 18-44 there 54%-38%, so I'm not sure why you'd think it'd flip going forwards. Polling this cycle was pretty much dead-on accurate there.

I didn't say AZ would 100% flip in 4 years, but it is winnable for D's in the near future.
02-14-2017 , 07:28 AM
I remember there was a lot of interest in David Duke's opinion on this forum, we shouldn't care about what fringe publicity seekers think but for those who have obsessed about it in the past here's the latest:

David Duke gives ringing endorsement to Rep. Keith Ellison for DNC chair
02-14-2017 , 11:06 AM
It's very obvious that you're trying to find anyway possible to discredit any liberal/Democrat. The same approach should be taken for any representative as it was for Donald Trump, if they do not disavow the support of a hateful icon / white supremacist such as David Duke then they do not deserve public support. It doesnt matter if they are A democrat or a republican.
02-15-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Senior Democratic lawmakers on Tuesday sought to stave off town hall protests from their own party, asking Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to reach out and urge activists to redirect their anger at Republicans instead of at moderate Democratic lawmakers.

The request came in a weekly meeting of top Democratic senators, according to a senator in attendance, ahead of a congressional recess next week when lawmakers in both parties are expected to face large crowds stirred in recent weeks by President Trump’s early executive actions and ongoing Republican attempts to revamp the Affordable Care Act.
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“They basically explained to Bernie, it looks like you could be the person that could calm down and make sure their energy and all this enthusiasm is directed in all the right proper channels,” Manchin said. “Bernie has a voice, and if [protesters] want to be active, then direct them to where the problem may be or where they anticipate a problem.”
bolded is added by me

Lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.f30cfd3a40d1
02-15-2017 , 12:02 PM
That story makes it clearer than ever that we need to be calling, protesting, and going to Town Halls of Democrats across the board.
02-15-2017 , 01:35 PM
Democrats when conservatives are mad: We need to reach out and understand their grievances
Democrats when liberals are mad: Bernie make them go away
02-15-2017 , 06:14 PM
02-15-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
That story makes it clearer than ever that we need to be calling, protesting, and going to Town Halls of Democrats across the board.
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Washington Post:
After Monday night’s vote to confirm Steve Mnuchin as treasury secretary, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee urged its members to complain to Manchin, the one Democrat who supported Trump’s nominee.

“He voted with Wall Street and against working families. Can you call him right now to express disapproval of this vote?” PCCC asked in the email blast. “Sen. Manchin needs to hear from constituents that voting with Wall Street is the opposite of being ‘independent.’ It’s favoring the big guys against the little guy. That’s the opposite of what West Virginians need.”
This is foolish. Joe Manchin will need all the help he can get to win in West Virginia in 2018. If that means he needs to make some pro-Trump votes that don't affect the outcome anyway, let him.
02-15-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
This is foolish. Joe Manchin will need all the help he can get to win in West Virginia in 2018. If that means he needs to make some pro-Trump votes that don't affect the outcome anyway, let him.
And what is Joe Manchin doing to advance the cause of We The People? Not a goddamn thing. Kick the bum out!
02-15-2017 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
And what is Joe Manchin doing to advance the cause of We The People? Not a goddamn thing. Kick the bum out!
If Manchin casting some controversial votes on the pro-Trump side that would have succeeded anyway helps him stick around in 2018, that seems...good?

What the hell is going to be accomplished by subjecting Democratic senators from WV or ND to purity tests so that they can be replaced by Republicans in 2018??
02-15-2017 , 06:47 PM
We replace them with Democrats or Republicans who will represent We The People. It does us absolutely zero good to have a guy with "Democrat" by his name in there if he votes for Jeff ****ing Sessions for Attorney General. He just voted for massive voter suppression in 2020, so I hope you're cool with that too.
02-15-2017 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
And what is Joe Manchin doing to advance the cause of We The People? Not a goddamn thing. Kick the bum out!
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Manchin insisted on Tuesday that the Democratic caucus is “unified in not wanting to repeal the Affordable Care Act. It’s unified! So why would [protesters] spend any energy on any member who’s already committed to that? They might not like those of us who come from other parts of the country that doesn’t adhere to everything they say or want done, but on the big items, put your energy somewhere else.”
Unlike the WV Republican that would defeat him, Joe Manchin will vote to preserve the health insurance of millions of people.

Last edited by Original Position; 02-15-2017 at 06:52 PM. Reason: clarity
02-15-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
We replace them with Democrats or Republicans who will represent We The People.
Spoiler alert, the Republican that replaces Manchin in 2018 will not represent We The People.

      
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