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The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party

02-01-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
This isn't true at all. Democrats only need to pick up 3 seats to get a majority in the Senate. Every seat matters. Also, it matters even without Democratic control. I would rather Rand Paul was the 50th vote than Chuck Grassley.

EDIT: I'll point out here that the Tea Party might have cost the GOP seats in the Senate (eg Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock, Sharron Angle).
The difference is, tea party Democrats won't spout **** like "legitimate rape" their message will be a very simple "I will stop Donald Trump from doing things that will damage our country at any and all costs"
02-01-2017 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
Sometimes winning isn't everything. One of the things the Tea Party did was displace undesirable (but a least qualified) Republicans with some truly mouth-breathing imbeciles under the guise of a grass-roots movement that was nothing more than a massive push by very powerful backers. Not only did they change that entire party for the worse they were decidedly non-productive.
if we learned anything from the tea party, it's that long-term we can be confident that showcasing our moral victories in lieu of tolerating disruptive redirection from an insurgent party wing is clearly the safer play. going forward we can be positive that assured paths to future democratic victory lie not within inexperienced candidates local to their communities, but rather with credentialed individuals yielded from larger professional circles.

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The Dems don't need another competing movement. If there are quality folks that want to challenge an incumbent and join the club, that's great. But I don't think the Democrats are a lost cause to the point they need to focus on another movement unseating more moderate and experienced Dems in primaries when they're already general election dogs vs. Repub crazies right now.
since hillary overwhelmingly won the popular vote, it's clear the party needs to double down on current fundraising strategies while reviving the campaign to target suburban republicans. this forgotten spoke of the base may be able to strengthen the party more than any other bloc, and should provide increased credibility to future democratic candidates planning to drift right-of-center in efforts to entice trump supporters into the party.

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My social circle is (relatively) strong with these harder-line progressive types--that's what this Justice Democrats thing is now that I've had a chance to look into it, Cenk (Young Turks guy) is behind it--and to me seems like a lot of them...their echo chamber is as bad as any alt-righter. Not all of course, but many have this whole edgy/elitist "true progressive" thing they wear and probably don't realize how isolated they actually are in the big scene.
if we compare hillary's impressive 17-million vote primary win to bernie's 13-million vote loss, we can look at this 4-million vote trouncing as one of the final chapters in a fading ideology on the waning path to irrelevancy. we can hope that by failing to win more than 23 states, these edgy eccentrics will now drop the act and step out of their isolated echo-chambers and finally conform to the mainstream views of the party.

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And it's not that like they have terrible ideals or goals (mostly). But they do have a very unrealistic view of how to actually accomplish them. First the far left just doesn't have the base that the far right does. They have Christian conservatives, energy folks, NRA, gullible older folks and so on WHO BY THE WAY ACTUALLY VOTE.
it's high time progressives concede their crusade and accept the well established message detailing how universal healthcare, a $15 minimum wage, and free public college equates to nothing more than pipedream fantasy. continuous refusal to become a reliable party voting bloc even after being told repeatedly these goals are unrealistic does not serve to strengthen the party, but rather exposes an overarching pie in the sky sense of entitlement.

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This group is talking for example trying to unseat Cory Booker. There are things I could pick at with him--his campaign funding from Wall Street is Republican-esque for one and that's been well-covered here in NJ press--but on the whole he's unquestionably become a great asset and rising star. Why the hell would a liberal start by trying to unseat? First of all he's in office until 2020. Second of all you have tons of (D) Senate seats at risk in 2018 or you know, maybe take a run at Nevada or replacing someone who retires. Or take some Congressional seats.
not sure why cory has yet to be accepted as a beacon for the progressive cause. his unmistakable level of leadership toward protecting the country from the potential onslaught of highly dangerous canadian prescription drug medications should be applauded while his prudent attendance record at prominent events clearly shows a civic dedication which should be recognized.

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No, it's just simpler to burn it all down rather than try to strengthen the party. Obviously the answer is to recruit laypeople who happen to fit their so-called platform, which btw is awfully specific...it reads like a list of someone's personal political vision. Oppose death penalty, NAFTA, TPP, stop & frisk, raise min wage, pardon Snowden, chain capital gains to income tax, up the estate tax and so forth. JFC why not just run for a seat yourself.
look, the party's broken yo. sorta kinda regret all the prior satirical snark (nothing personal) however the inherent threat of corporate money is not only going to further weaken the democratic party but it will eventually eradicate everything good our democracy represents. just because the republican party has been unequivocally corrupted does not mean we can automatically dismiss the tea party as a destructive or ineffective movement; in just a short period of time their campaign has earned them a convincing command of all three branches of government and as a result may allow them to achieve a good portion of their agenda.

otoh potential voters are in the streets and democratic leadership as a whole does not seem to be promoting a unified front against trump. legitimizing him now will only create a depressing sense of normalcy later which will only result in more lost elections. to counter we need to begin supporting grass-roots candidates who sympathize with the needs of the working-class and who effectively establish both voter trust and voter commitment by publicly financing their campaigns. and this is precisely the aim of the justice democrats coalition: to support candidates free of corporate control. so unless our goal is to continue losing elections, we need to collectively decide if supporting politicians who call donors during the day and attend fundraisers at night are really the kind of people we want taking on trump.
02-01-2017 , 11:59 PM
I think the biggest problem atm is they're getting mercilessly stomped in the media. If they don't recover from this, they're gonna get trounced so hard to maybe just 10 D senators after 2020.
02-02-2017 , 01:09 AM
Yeah, they never really fought back against the right wing propaganda lie that the media has a liberal bias.
02-02-2017 , 09:38 AM
as I sit here in my apartment and think of how obama ****ed over all the homeowners and a lot of us lost our homes and then he gave the banks full control of the 20k for these homeowners and each homeowner got $300 while the banks kept 19.7 for themeselves cause this great leader obama said let the BIG BANKS handle it

as I sit here watching obama healtcare get dismantled cause he played to big pharma and the republicans when he could of passed single payer and everyone would have equal healthcare and then let states fefusew federal money so the people of those states suffered

**** YOU OBAMA you ****ed over the people who got you office and then tried to force that criminal hillary down our throats when you knew bernie was the only hope

so who gives a **** if trump is making other countries mad. better than what obama did to the homeowners of the america and oh yea race relations took a big nosedive under obama

WHEN THEY GO LOW OBAMA JUST KOWTOWS TO BIG PHARMA AND BIG BANKS **** YOU OBAMA

Wonder how of those protesters lost their homes due to obamas help **** OBAMA
02-02-2017 , 10:51 AM
Criminal trump just bowed to big pharma. Where's your outrage over that? He also threw low-income Americans under the bus regarding FHA.

Last edited by Loki; 02-02-2017 at 10:51 AM. Reason: To say nothing of the plethora of lies in your post
02-02-2017 , 11:40 AM
which part - the one where he ****ed over own homeowners by giving the banks full control of that 20k

or ****ed over healthcare by not going single payer and kowtowing to big pharma

or by supporting a person he knew had no chance of winning the white house when only bernie was making headlines for the right reasons (oh wait the news totally forgot to mention him)

wheres the plethora or you going to try to convince yourself that obama did anything good for the working class

and now Hilllary want to have a tv show cause she thinks thats what got trump in the whitehouse NO BITCH WE TOLD YOU FOR 12 YEARS WE DONT WANT YOU 2020 will be no different
02-02-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
and oh yea race relations took a big nosedive under obama
That's because a bunch of racists were deeply unhappy that a black guy got elected President, though. Really only partially Obama's fault, when you consider that.
02-02-2017 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
and now Hilllary want to have a tv show cause she thinks thats what got trump in the whitehouse
Lol source plz
02-02-2017 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Lol source plz
It's real.

http://edwardklein.com/hillary-ill-be-back/
02-02-2017 , 04:31 PM
Still hard to believe. Can she seriously think she'd make a good TV show host?
02-02-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Klein received extensive criticism for his 2005 biography of Hillary Clinton, The Truth About Hillary. Politico criticized the book for "serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes [that] don't gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton's life."[9] The conservative columnist John Podhoretz criticized the book in the New York Post, "Thirty pages into it, I wanted to take a shower. Sixty pages into it, I wanted to be decontaminated. And 200 pages into it, I wanted someone to drive stakes through my eyes so I wouldn't have to suffer through another word."[10]
02-02-2017 , 04:40 PM
an anonymous source from a writer known for lying about the subject at hand holds a total of 0 weight
02-02-2017 , 04:41 PM
Kathryn Jean Lopez of National Review asked Klein in a June 20, 2005 interview, "Why on earth would you put such a terrible story in your book...that looks to be flimsily sourced at that?," regarding his suggestion that Chelsea Clinton was conceived in an act of marital rape.[12] Facing criticism from both the left and right for making the claim, Klein eventually backed away from the insinuation in an interview with radio host Jim Bohannon on June 23, 2005
02-02-2017 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
This source looks very sketchy at best. He says he has a source "close to the Clintons" but the quote sounds way too perfect for his audience to be true:

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As it turns out, according to a close Clinton source who spoke with Ed Klein Confidential, Hillary isn’t thinking about any of those roles right now.

“She’s been talking very seriously about the idea of having her own television show,” said the source. “As a TV host, she’d discuss the issues of the day from a progressive point of view, have top guests, interview world leaders and progressive thinkers.

“It would have to be a show that she and her people completely controlled,” the source continued. “She’s convinced she’d get fabulous ratings in a political climate where there’s so much anger in Democratic circles over Donald Trump’s election.

“She’s utterly determined not to fade into the background. She intends to stay in the limelight and keep fighting the good fight. She knows Obama is going to be out there fighting too. But frankly, she doesn’t think he’s a great leader or a great fighter, which leaves an opening for her to be the acknowledged leader-in-exile of her party.

“She thinks being the host of a popular TV show would energize the Democratic Party base and her tens of millions of fans. It’s a way to make a comeback and position herself for another run at the White House starting in a year or so.”
Sounds totally fake. Also it just doesn't sound like Clinton at all.

Moreover, it seems this guy has made his whole career as an "author" by putting out trash for conservative rubes.

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His nonfiction books have all appeared on The New York Times Best Seller List. They include: The Truth About Hillary; Katie: The Real Story; Ted Kennedy: The Dream That Never Died; The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House; and Blood Feud: The Clintons Vs. The Obamas. His latest book is Unlikeable: The Problem With Hillary.
But hey, at least we know the "fake news about Hillary Clinton" market is still alive and well. That's a lot of jobs that we can't afford to lose right now in the beginning of the Trumpocalypse.
02-02-2017 , 04:44 PM
I really hope she does this show because nobody is gonna watch it.
02-02-2017 , 05:18 PM
Looking forward to The Amateur in the White House Part II: Trumped. I'm sure we'll see that any day now.
02-02-2017 , 05:37 PM
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His nonfiction books have all appeared on The New York Times Best Seller List. They include: The Truth About Hillary; Katie: The Real Story; Ted Kennedy: The Dream That Never Died; The Amateur: Barack Obama in the White House; and Blood Feud: The Clintons Vs. The Obamas. His latest book is Unlikeable: The Problem With Hillary.
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Originally Posted by einbert
But hey, at least we know the "fake news about Hillary Clinton" market is still alive and well. That's a lot of jobs that we can't afford to lose right now in the beginning of the Trumpocalypse.
Those Regnery Publishing right wing book club scams aren't going to go anywhere in the Trump Era and like any good serial fiction series, you know like comic books and ****, resurrecting old villains is good for business. They're going to churn out anti Clinton material forever, and while she's laying low, they'll just make up new stories for her to be featured in.
02-04-2017 , 06:50 PM
I assume this is our Vix making friends and influencing people on Twitter.
02-04-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Eagle
I assume this is our Vix making friends and influencing people on Twitter.
Ah, you moved your post and orphaned my response.

I was saying that's funny because as I recall anyway vix was one of the most against Bernie posters before the convention.

I will say that while there are surely some negative feelings , at things like the Women's March there were plenty of people with Bernie gear right next to people with Hillary gear and I didn't even see anyone getting the stink-eye.
02-05-2017 , 04:56 AM
That's because those were my my positions. And they didn't change. Remember all of the post where I disagreed with phone booth after the election? Same thing. Twitter is apparently not terribly similar to an internet message board!
02-05-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by OutTaGetMe
which part - the one where he ****ed over own homeowners by giving the banks full control of that 20k

or ****ed over healthcare by not going single payer and kowtowing to big pharma

or by supporting a person he knew had no chance of winning the white house when only bernie was making headlines for the right reasons (oh wait the news totally forgot to mention him)

wheres the plethora or you going to try to convince yourself that obama did anything good for the working class

and now Hilllary want to have a tv show cause she thinks thats what got trump in the whitehouse NO BITCH WE TOLD YOU FOR 12 YEARS WE DONT WANT YOU 2020 will be no different
She had no chance to win? Trump's combined margin of victory in the three Rust Belt states he won to get him into office was 78K. If 40K people spread out in the right counties decide not to buy his garbage about bringing back manufacturing and coal mining jobs, she's the winner. He also won FL and AZ pretty narrowly.

Face it; he pulled off the upset of the century by coming out on the right side of a bunch of coinflips.
02-05-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Lol source plz
see this is the problem with the democratic party, like im going to come in here and make that **** up also LEARN HOW CROOKED THAT BITCH IS

ask seth rich oh yea you cant hes dead execution style

as long as hiliary thinks anyone wants her in office (and dont give me that popular vote **** cause that didnt do **** for BERNIE) the dems are doomed
02-05-2017 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
She had no chance to win?

You beleive all that other nonesense WE TOLD THE DEMS once they ****ed bernie, hillary had no chance but that bitch couldnt step aside since we have told her the 8 years before we didnt want her

SHE HAD NO CHANCE FROM THE START if you go by your beloved polls

Bernie was the only one that could of beat trump
02-05-2017 , 11:47 AM
jesus how can anyone with any moral compass come here to defend hillary to start with

      
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