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The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party

01-27-2017 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
Justice Democrats is positioning itself as a tea-party movement for the left. The stated goal is to 'primary' corporatist dems in blue districts.

I think it's a great idea.
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Originally Posted by Minirra
"A tea-party movement for the left" isn't a great sales pitch
It's also not a great idea to copy your anticorporatist talking points from MAGA bumper stickers.
01-27-2017 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
It's also not a great idea to copy your anticorporatist talking points from MAGA bumper stickers.
Like which ones, and why is it a poor idea?
01-27-2017 , 09:42 AM
Monthy Python nailed why the left loses to the right many years ago. I'm concerned that the leftist tea party will fall foul of the same issues. The tea party were strident and tried to primary the moderate republicans but they all voted for Mitt in the end. Having no real principles is such a huge advantage. The unhinged from reality, no facts allowed right are better at being pragmatic realists than most on the left. Think on that for a minute.

01-27-2017 , 02:28 PM
KING: Senate Republicans continue to blow away their Democratic counterparts with hirings of new black staff members

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That means Republicans in the Senate now have four African-American senior staff members and Democrats have one. Not a single black woman serves on the senior staff of any of the 48 Democratic senators. Not a single African-American serves as chief of staff, deputy chief of staff, or communications director for any of the 48 Democratic senators.
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"These Democratic senators are often hiring people as favors to their top donors. They are getting pressured by rich benefactors and lobbyists and even corporations to hire people that they know and trust.”
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What’s doubly disgusting is that neither Schumer or fellow New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who each represent one of the most diverse states in America, have a single black member of their senior staff.
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Every single congressional staff member I spoke with outside of Morse confirmed this take. The bottom line is with 192 opportunities to hire black men and women for the traditional senior staff member positions, Senate Democrats hired their first one earlier this month. That’s one half of one percent of their senior staff positions.
Not good.
01-27-2017 , 02:53 PM
It's not good, and of course racial inequality is not a strictly partisan issue. But the headline is hilariously overstated. So the Democrats have 1/192 senior staffers who are black. Republicans are 4/???, but I'm imagining 4/200 or so? So 0.5% to 2%. So why make it a partisan issue?

If the goal of turning it into a partisan issue is to goad democrats into sucking less, then that's OK with me, and I think Shaun King has publicized a lot of important information lately and am definitely willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that this is his intent. I fully agree that progressives should hold the Democratic party to account on issues we care about. And King probably didn't even write the headline.

But, if people make it into a partisan issue to justify this common narrative on the right that Democrats "are the real racists" then it's obviously nonsense taking into account all the relevant policy positions between the two parties. Pointing out a lack of representation is good and fine. Reducing racial equality to this kind of tokenizing comparison between parties while ignoring all the other relevant issues becomes silly pretty quickly. I don't accuse King of doing that, but I expect to see a lot of people doing it based on that headline.
01-27-2017 , 03:11 PM
Yeah I agree certainly is not a partisan issue. I think King just decided to frame it in the manner in which he did to really highlight how badly the democrats are dropping the ball.

Just something that needs to be addressed imo.
01-27-2017 , 09:54 PM
Shaun King could find racial injustice in a game of pool.
01-27-2017 , 10:17 PM
I mean, let's not pretend it isn't racist that you lose if you sink the black ball at the wrong time.
01-27-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
I mean, let's not pretend it isn't racist that you lose if you sink the black ball at the wrong time.
It's just like real life--the white ball gets unfairly pounded the entire game with rarely any consequence but you can lose touching the black ball one time. #whiteballsmatter
01-28-2017 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
It's a very long shot, but not unheard of. If someone wanted to disrupt a largely left-leaning forum by sowing dissent, they'd post a lot like HastenDan does, don't you think?

Obviously like 99% he's some embittered exile doing it for shigs.
01-28-2017 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
On one hand, there have almost certainly been paid Russian trolls on this board. On the other hand, there are plenty of American dip****s out there who are genuinely enthralled with Putin's strongman bull****. Mastery of idiomatic English is the closest thing we have to a Turing test for distinguishing between the two.
This is right. Most of them are obvious. But, there are some who are fluent. I... don't think it's terribly difficult to figure them out. It just takes some testing. You poke. Feel how they respond. Get creative. Be ridiculous. This is how they are exposed. You can sense a normal reaction and a bizarre reaction, if you prod long enough. Not one reply. Hundreds. Thousands. Something won't smell right. And, well, you vote them out. Naturally. You have to train yourself how to think as other persons. It isn't entirely possible, but you can get very close. If you keep doing it, for an extraordinarily long time, and find all their little corners.

Most Trumpers are who they claim to be. That's for sure.
01-28-2017 , 01:10 AM
Good article: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...rom-inevitable

Also for those thinking they are too superior and ripping the suggestions of having a "democratic tea party", first of all it would be called something different and while I agree the tea party is full of complete idiots and the most wacko of the republicans, they were a movement that has resulted in a lot of seats in a short amount of time not only in state governments but at the federal level as well. Meanwhile, complete joke movements like OWS has resulted in approximately zero political power from the other extreme. If liberals are so smart they should be able to figure out they need to change their strategy and message if they want the end result to be any form of political clout. Some of you need to check your smugness and study/learn from a movement that while it is led by a bunch of complete morans, has also been more successful than yours. Figure out why.

Last edited by Shoe; 01-28-2017 at 01:28 AM.
01-29-2017 , 01:03 AM
Part of the problem is that liberals are busy having jobs and paying taxes, they can't go around doing tea party stuff, riding high on the welfare hog like conservatives.

This internet won't run itself!
01-29-2017 , 05:54 PM
Apparently the DNC stuff is a complete ****show
01-29-2017 , 06:37 PM
Not going to dig it up now, but there's a famous map of internet communities as continents/islands, from facebook, to Warcraft, to pintrest. 2+2 is big enough to show up on the map and is target worthy of foreign trolls.
01-29-2017 , 06:45 PM
I'm guessing this is it. We are in that right lower corner "forums" part.
01-29-2017 , 06:46 PM
lol AIM.
01-29-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Shaun King could find racial injustice in a game of pool.
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
I mean, let's not pretend it isn't racist that you lose if you sink the black ball at the wrong time.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
It's just like real life--the white ball gets unfairly pounded the entire game with rarely any consequence but you can lose touching the black ball one time. #whiteballsmatter
This was all explained years ago:

01-30-2017 , 08:37 PM
Underrated movie IMO. Always enjoyed it
01-31-2017 , 04:09 AM


http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politi..****e/index.html

Some Senate Dems want to go ahead and concede the SCOTUS seat before Trump's announcement is even made.

If they do this, I will burn my party to the goddamn ground.
01-31-2017 , 06:51 AM
Probably want to hide the matches. Unless the SCOTUS nominee is someone really outrageous or irrational, which would be counter-productive and unnecessary for Trump, the nominee is extremely likely to be confirmed. Or, you could exhaust their procedural option trying to block a more mainstream candidate only to find you can't filibuster the next one when Ted Nugent is the nominee. Like I just posted in another thread Dems will have to pick spots carefully.

But if it's just some garden-variety conservative it's definitely happening and no point hoping otherwise. There's nothing to win. This is what it looks like to be the minority party and lose the WH.
01-31-2017 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow
Like which ones, and why is it a poor idea?
I was kinda exaggerating for humor, but rigid populism makes me cringe, and inflexibility in general has been the downfall of every socialist/leftist movement ever.

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform/

This all seems great, mostly, but there are phrases that give me pause, basically all the references to 'establishment' and 'elite' and so forth, and, 'the most powerful political machine in America.' There's a reason the nebulous 'corruption' is the first point there, as it's the most effective lizard brain pandering. Those Fat Cats In Washington!

Also, this is kinda scary (and 'rigged' seems very trumpian):

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Block the TPP and all outsourcing deals that will further damage the middle-class. As a result of NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China and the WTO, Americans have lost millions of decent paying jobs. It’s time to end the race to the bottom and renegotiate these rigged deals that only benefit elites. We should not sacrifice our sovereignty, the only people who are allowed to make laws for the United States should be the American people, not multinational corporations.
01-31-2017 , 10:06 AM
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But if it's just some garden-variety conservative it's definitely happening and no point hoping otherwise. There's nothing to win. This is what it looks like to be the minority party and lose the WH.
We're not the minority party. We won the popular vote by 2,900,000 votes. How can you forget that so quickly? We are by far more popular than the Republican party.

Also, Scalia died under President Obama. That means we get to pick the replacement--period. If we let Republicans steal this seat, what's to stop them from stealing the next one?
01-31-2017 , 10:20 AM
People with Democratic Senators, this is your chance. Give them a call and let them know we will accept one and only one possible Supreme Court nomination from Trump.

Spoiler:
Merrick Garland
01-31-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Not going to dig it up now, but there's a famous map of internet communities as continents/islands, from facebook, to Warcraft, to pintrest. 2+2 is big enough to show up on the map and is target worthy of foreign trolls.
the artist probably was a poker player who used 2+2 and has biases of what belongs, don't take it as an accurate indicator of influence.

      
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