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The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party

11-09-2016 , 09:23 PM
Unemployment overall is low. Underemployment is a much bigger issue, but any of the remedies (income subsidies) aren't going to be remotely feasible now.
11-09-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Most of my family lives in America. So yes, I am concerned but not panicky.
idk if you can get the same CNN i get right now, but we have live coverage of protests all over the country with Van Jones pleading with the Trump surrogates to at least try to assuage the fears of people who feel threatened by a Trump presidency, and the Trump surrogates are saying, "lol no. Those wannabe 60's protesters can go **** themselves. You're the real racist."

I'm telling you, it's going to get really ****ing ugly over here in 2017.
11-09-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
If anyone doesn't get what I'm talking about, check out this astonishing statement from Bernie:
All we are getting is lower taxes for the wealthy.
11-09-2016 , 09:29 PM
Trump rode in with a mandate from the people:

Stop protecting the environment
Build that wall
Round up 10m illegals
Put all Muslims on a list
Repeal obamacare
Conservative judge so that abortion is illegal
Lower taxes for the wealthy

This is what the rural poor are onboard for!
11-09-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
If anyone doesn't get what I'm talking about, check out this astonishing statement from Bernie:
Again - these might have been the rust belt swing voters that made the difference. But my Boomer family, the alt-right/RWers on here, every other conservative I know, and 95% of the slappies on chiefsplanet are very comfortable in every aspect of their lives except their waistbands.
11-09-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
goofyballer: I agree that it's difficult to argue counterfactuals but it seems hard not to conclude that Clinton was always a pretty flawed candidate. Sure, some of that isn't her fault, it's the result of decades of right-wing derpy conspiracy theories. But some of it is definitely her fault, and the fault of the Democratic party which was too complacent in its willingness to nominate her without too much consideration of those factors.
I voted for Bernie in the primaries but this election ain't clinton's fault, it's the electorate's fault.
11-09-2016 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
As the demographics move further away from a white majority and the country becomes more educated, the Democratic Party will make a comeback. This is simply a bump in the road. GOP supporters are due to die soon anyway
Not if the GOP can suppress the votes.
11-09-2016 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
LOL at the old people dying off and that causing things to change. People tend to get more conservative as they get older, so all these liberal millennials will change a lot over the next 40 years. Don't forget that all of these boomers everyone here hates so much and likes to accuse of being racist were flower children back in the 60's.
No they weren't. They were apolitical. Most of the flower children have stayed liberal. Numerous studies have shown that once you identify strongly politically you tend to stay that way (obviously with exceptions).

Boomers were just too self-absorbed and entitled to start caring about politics until late in life.

This actually gives me a hope for the future, with the generation of millennials that Bernie woke up.

And Gen-X has also largely already identified politically by now. I will grant you that a lot of them weren't though, and I see them turning conservative on FB before my eyes. It's almost like if liberalism doesn't hit you before 35, conservatism creeps in.
11-09-2016 , 09:46 PM
I'm curious whether this turns into the same as the other party where the far side of it starts dictating every nominee from now on. I believe Bern can't win a general, GOP apparently has a video on him saying stuff that people consider much worse than grabbing women. Also, they get at least 2 more years of suppressing more votes, they're gonna take advantage.
11-09-2016 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
It's not that they are dying off, it's that white people without college degrees are going to be a shrinking percentage of the population going forward.
White people will become a smaller percent but I worry that those left behind will grow. A college degree from state u will get you the same crappy service job a high school degree will get you today. I think only the truly gifted will be meaningfully employed as technology advances.
11-09-2016 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I'm curious whether this turns into the same as the other party where the far side of it starts dictating every nominee from now on. I believe Bern can't win a general, GOP apparently has a video on him saying stuff that people consider much worse than grabbing women. Also, they get at least 2 more years of suppressing more votes, they're gonna take advantage.
It's not like the far right candidate like Cruz won the GOP nomination. The establishment was repudiated and a populist won. The parties are realigning and its not going to be ideology that divides it's going to be the winners and losers of globalization. I think the Democratic party will see a realignment too. The Obama coalition can not be rebuilt.
11-09-2016 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
idk if you can get the same CNN i get right now, but we have live coverage of protests all over the country with Van Jones pleading with the Trump surrogates to at least try to assuage the fears of people who feel threatened by a Trump presidency, and the Trump surrogates are saying, "lol no. Those wannabe 60's protesters can go **** themselves. You're the real racist."

I'm telling you, it's going to get really ****ing ugly over here in 2017.
Normally, protests are supposed to make a difference by forcing change. Do they want a fresh election or something? I suppose protesting is a pretty cathartic way of expressing your frustration with this shocking upset but it's otherwise pointless.

This protest stuff is all gonna blow over in a few months. Like every other change, people will fight it at first but then accept that they can do nothing about it and live their lives.
11-09-2016 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
It's not like the far right candidate like Cruz won the GOP nomination. The establishment was repudiated and a populist won. The parties are realigning and its not going to be ideology that divides it's going to be the winners and losers of globalization. I think the Democratic party will see a realignment too. The Obama coalition can not be rebuilt.
I disagree with that. Candidates won't have to do as well in terms of GOTV because of better overall demographics. And I see the alignment between minorities/urbanites continuing for a few cycles at least.
11-09-2016 , 10:33 PM
It's overreaction Wednesday but the Democratic party looks pretty demolished and I don't know if demographic changes can save it. That turn out was horrific.
11-09-2016 , 10:38 PM
No good horses in the stable, either. How badly did that guy who made the commercial putting the gun to together lose? He seems like he could offer crossover appeal to some of Trump's demos.
11-09-2016 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
No good horses in the stable, either. How badly did that guy who made the commercial putting the gun to together lose? He seems like he could offer crossover appeal to some of Trump's demos.
He outperformed Hillary by 15 which was impressive. He is very good but the Democratic party is wiped out in MO.
11-09-2016 , 10:46 PM
Looking forward to yet again seeing tanks in the streets of Ferguson on my television.
11-09-2016 , 10:48 PM
Mandate, schmandate. They've got all the levers now. They might as well have won with 100% of the vote at this point.
11-09-2016 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
That's what the Clinton-Obama corporatists have done.
Wtf does this mean?
11-09-2016 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GBP04
it's been addressed but the reason she couldn't beat Trump (in the sense that Trump was very beatable) is that people didn't like her. People viewed the scandals, real or trumped up or imaginary, and her as a package. they didn't like that she decided it was her time to win. hard to blame her for wanting to be president. but at some point, there's a ton of baggage, and people didn't like that a person with that kind of baggage would ignore that fact and push for the presidency. she was the polar opposite of Obama in that effect
I had been thinking about Trumps explicit appeal to racism just in the context of his willingness to smash a norm that had been in place since the civil rights era and wondering why he was able to plow such fertile ground in the same places that voted for Obama in the two previous cycles.

I was listening to Brian Beutler's podcast today and he made the point that in 2016 the Democratic party was much more in white folks' face on the fundamental issue of diversity than Obama was in either of his runs. Obama never came off as The Black Candidate for white people, he was just a charismatic guy that happened to be black so his coalition wasn't as threatening to white interests (and of course both McCain and Romney are decent people for whom appeals to explicit racism was taboo.) When he felt compelled to go to Executive Action on immigration and the Dems decided that this was a demographic wave to be ridden, the territory was ceded for Trump to start making explicit appeals to racism that wouldn't have resonated in 2008 and 2012.

Not sure what that portends for the future as a President Trump's norm smashing ability is practically unimaginable so trying to game out how to position the party tactically for 2020 is going to depend as much on where and how hot the dumpster fires are burning than any political strategy the Dems can implement.
11-09-2016 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Saw a statistic that 20% of House Dems are from California. One state.

California, New York, and Massachussetts(lol) make up over 1/3.

That's what the Clinton-Obama corporatists have done.
It's actually pure gerrymandering.
11-09-2016 , 11:01 PM
So then:

Obama ruined the country. GWB GOAT. TRUMP GOAT.

lol, are you just hardcore trolling?
11-09-2016 , 11:08 PM
I mean, I just don't get what you wanted him to do differently. The democrats want:
higher min wage, more wealth distribution, healthcare.. they want stuff for poor people.

You are slamming them as being the party of inequality. What did you want Obama to do differently?
11-09-2016 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
So then:

Obama ruined the country. GWB GOAT. TRUMP GOAT.

lol, are you just hardcore trolling?
In his defense, he's this clueless on pretty much any topic.
11-09-2016 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Wtf does this mean?
It means that poster is shrill

      
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