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09-24-2018 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones
Says who?
The state of Maryland cannot print money.
09-25-2018 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
I am about as far from an expert on the subject as a person can be, so take this however you want, but imo from what I've read about various plans for Colorado, California, et al, single payer in individual states seems like a harebrained idea and potentially a huge threat to the national single payer project.
it was one of the most horribly written/conceived bits of legislation probably in the history of ever

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...iative-failure

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The plan was to be funded by a new 10 percent tax on basically everything:

A 6.67 percent employer-side payroll tax plus a 3.33 percent employee-side payroll tax; most economists think the former tax would be reflected in lower take-home pay for employees
A 10 percent tax on all nonwage income, like capital gains, self-employment, Social Security benefits, etc.
obviously the tax should be shouldered more by wealthier individuals- spreading the burden out like that over the poor and middle class is an absolutely terrible idea and tbh it was probably designed to fail

i support single payer in USA#1 and i would have voted no on that abomination if i still lived in CO
09-25-2018 , 07:23 AM
this is interesting and something i actually didn't know about at all re: CO single payer ballot initiative-

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Perhaps the biggest issue of contention, however, was abortion.

In 1984, Colorado narrowly passed Initiative 3, the Colorado Abortion Funding Prohibition Amendment, which barred all public funding for abortion except if needed to save the life of the mother. And ColoradoCare wouldn’t have changed that. It couldn’t have: The state constitution has a “single subject” rule requiring ballot measures to stick to one topic, meaning the ColoradoCare initiative couldn’t simultaneously repeal the abortion funding ban.

ColoradoCare thus would have taken away abortion access from women whose private insurance covers the procedure — a group totaling more than 550,000, per NARAL’s Middleton. It didn’t just fail to expand access to abortion to poorer women; it actively made access worse. And while some advocates for the policy argued that it was still worth supporting for the “greater good” of expanded health care coverage for other procedures, reproductive rights advocates were understandably not having it.
what an incredible cluster****
09-29-2018 , 07:51 PM
Christ.

09-29-2018 , 08:04 PM
There is only one path forward: abolishing the Senate and abolishing the Supreme Court. The Democratic Party will never address these concerns, because their rule relies on an undemocratic pronunciation of power through class warfare and domination:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...terev/ch01.htm
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For instance, when, in the revolution of 1917, the question of the significance and role of the state arose in all its magnitude as a practical question demanding immediate action, and, moreover, action on a mass scale, all the Social-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks descended at once to the petty-bourgeois theory that the “state” “reconciles” classes. Innumerable resolutions and articles by politicians of both these parties are thoroughly saturated with this petty-bourgeois and philistine “reconciliation” theory. That the state is an organ of the rule of a definite class which cannot be reconciled with its antipode (the class opposite to it) is something the petty-bourgeois democrats will never be able to understand. Their attitude to the state is one of the most striking manifestations of the fact that our Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks are not socialists at all (a point that we Bolsheviks have always maintained), but petty-bourgeois democrats using near-socialist phraseology.

On the other hand, the “Kautskyite” distortion of Marxism is far more subtle. “Theoretically”, it is not denied that the state is an organ of class rule, or that class antagonisms are irreconcilable. But what is overlooked or glossed over is this: if the state is the product of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms, if it is a power standing above society and “alienating itself more and more from it”, it is clear that the liberation of the oppressed class is impossible not only without a violent revolution, but also without the destruction of the apparatus of state power which was created by the ruling class and which is the embodiment of this “alienation”. As we shall see later, Marx very explicitly drew this theoretically self-evident conclusion on the strength of a concrete historical analysis of the tasks of the revolution. And — as we shall show in detail further on — it is this conclusion which Kautsky has “forgotten” and distorted.
The Senate is an undemocratic, white supremacist instituation designed to prevent true democracy from ever occuring:




The Supreme Court is even worse. Lifetime appointed ruling class masters, selected by Presidents elected by an undemocratic Electoral College. Every single one of these bastards went to Harvard or Yale, and after Kavanaugh gets confirmed, two of them will have gone to the same goddamn HIGH SCHOOL, where tuition is $53,000: Georgetown Prep. Meritocracy my ass. This is an aristocracy of oligarchs that laughs in the face of any idea of accountability or democracy. He will be installed in order to rule against labor rights, civil rights, and any significant Democratic or Socialist legislation for decades to come.

Also, don't forget your "President" lost the popular vote by 3 million+ votes. Might not want to be making ridiculous claims like this, imperialists:


Because it turns out:

Last edited by einbert; 09-29-2018 at 08:11 PM.
09-29-2018 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
There is only one path forward: abolishing the Senate and abolishing the Supreme Court.
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Originally Posted by The Constitution
and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
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Originally Posted by The Constitution
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court
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Originally Posted by Oath of Enlistment of the Armed Forces
I, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Please proceed, Governor.
09-29-2018 , 11:15 PM
Einbert overthrowing the government? O/U on minutes it takes einbert to get taken out by the military in an armed insurrection?
09-29-2018 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Please proceed, Governor.
This weepy mother****er bawled on election night when Donald Trump won and wants to talk about the constitution after voting for the guy who's been breaking the emoluments clause since day 1
09-30-2018 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Please proceed, Governor.
Probably should get rid of that too and start over.
09-30-2018 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Please proceed, Governor.
oh, you got respect for the constitution, huh awval?

Spoiler:
go **** yourself
10-01-2018 , 04:31 AM
10-02-2018 , 12:01 PM
These conservative bastards need to go. Conservative politicians have absolutely no desire to represent working people. Instead they will tell us to our faces why we are wrong and why we don't deserve to be heard. These bastards are absolutely working against us, 100%. It's time to recognize this and act appropriately.

10-02-2018 , 11:17 PM
This is class warfare. Don't you think it's about time we started taking it as seriously as they do?



Mendelson (D) - Chairman
Bonds (D)
Grosso (Independent)
Evans (D)
Todd (D)
McDuffie (D)
Gray (D)
White Sr. (D)
10-02-2018 , 11:35 PM
Unless the no votes were Republicans, I'm struggling to see the point you're trying to make in identifying the party affiliations.
10-02-2018 , 11:48 PM
They weren't because there are no Republicans on the DC Council. Party affiliation doesn't mean much in DC. Running with an R next to your name is an automatic disqualifier.
10-02-2018 , 11:53 PM
That's what I figured.

Pretty bad faith posting by einbert there.
10-02-2018 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
That's what I figured.

Pretty bad faith posting by einbert there.
I believe he was criticizing Democrats. A post that doesn't bash Republicans isn't necessarily made in bad faith.
10-03-2018 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
These conservative bastards need to go. Conservative politicians have absolutely no desire to represent working people. Instead they will tell us to our faces why we are wrong and why we don't deserve to be heard. These bastards are absolutely working against us, 100%. It's time to recognize this and act appropriately.

I mean, Manchin is clearly the worst Democrat in the Senate. It's disgusting that he won't even engage them and just wants to talk about the investigation over and over again.

If Manchin wins, he needs to be primaried in six years... and if he votes for Kavanaugh, I'd be fine with Dems cutting him off. He's basically a Republican who supports the ACA. There are at least a few Republican senators who are left of him on most other issues.

He's worthless to Dems outside of healthcare and voting for the majority leader, and I think there's a chance he would switch parties anyway if Dems took the Senate. His life's work in the Senate seems to be avoiding being the deciding vote on anything.

If we can't count on you to vote against an already horrible SCOTUS justice who's a credibly accused sexual-assaulter in 2018, **** off and switch parties as far as I'm concerned.
10-03-2018 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Unless the no votes were Republicans, I'm struggling to see the point you're trying to make in identifying the party affiliations.
Pointing out that it's both Democrats and Republicans that are very clearly working against working class interests. This is a key distinction that absolutely needs to be made.

Areas like DC and Hawai'i (where I live) work like this. Democrats dominate the political scene, so they can be extremely pro-business and pro-military and whatnot. They don't actually have to do anything to advance the will of the People, in fact they work to actively serve the corporations and work against the interest of the working class in their respective geographies. The only difference between here and say Georgia is that big corporations are putting all their money into Democratic party influencing because they know Republican party money doesn't go anywhere in these places. But the end result is the same--the big corporations and the capitalists have the final say over the voters and the workers who dominate the population. And the vampirism of capitalism goes on and on...

It's also important to point out that the Democratic party council members voted very undemocratically to overturn the will of the people. The People voted directly on this, and the people have been overturned by the oligarchy. This is a great demonstration of how this is not a democracy, this is an oligarchy for and by the capitalist class.
10-03-2018 , 12:52 AM
They're running a game folks. In retrospect it will be very obvious what is going on. The Resistance (TM) wants to make sure that nothing actually ever gums up the works for the ongoing fascism train.

10-03-2018 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
They're running a game folks. In retrospect it will be very obvious what is going on. The Resistance (TM) wants to make sure that nothing actually ever gums up the works for the ongoing fascism train.

If Kavanaugh is not confirmed, the Dems take the Senate in this election, and the GOP doesn't slam someone through in the lame duck, Dems would be wise to re-instate the judicial filibuster immediately. I posted about it in the Kavanaugh thread.
10-03-2018 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I mean, Manchin is clearly the worst Democrat in the Senate. It's disgusting that he won't even engage them and just wants to talk about the investigation over and over again.

If Manchin wins, he needs to be primaried in six years... and if he votes for Kavanaugh, I'd be fine with Dems cutting him off. He's basically a Republican who supports the ACA. There are at least a few Republican senators who are left of him on most other issues.

He's worthless to Dems outside of healthcare and voting for the majority leader, and I think there's a chance he would switch parties anyway if Dems took the Senate. His life's work in the Senate seems to be avoiding being the deciding vote on anything.

If we can't count on you to vote against an already horrible SCOTUS justice who's a credibly accused sexual-assaulter in 2018, **** off and switch parties as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you have said here...

but yet...

I would snap take Manchin over either of my ****ing senators
10-03-2018 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
I'm not disagreeing with anything you have said here...

but yet...

I would snap take Manchin over either of my ****ing senators
Kentucky, Texas or Iowa?

Obviously there are other states with two worse senators than Manchin, but I sense a lot of venom in that f-bomb, so I'm guessing you've got at least one heavy hitter of deplorability.
10-03-2018 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Kentucky, Texas or Iowa?

Obviously there are other states with two worse senators than Manchin, but I sense a lot of venom in that f-bomb, so I'm guessing you've got at least one heavy hitter of deplorability.
Well...my avatar...

I hope all the bad things in the world happen to him
10-03-2018 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
Well...my avatar...

I hope all the bad things in the world happen to him
Oh, there it is. I mean, at least Rand Paul has the redeeming quality of getting beat up by his neighbors. Those poor folks in Texas have to deal with Cruz, and it's not like Cornyn is out there getting decked for their comedic relief.

      
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