The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 269 - Politics and Economics

Obama wasn't a progressive, but he convinced a lot of people that he was, and that had a lot to do with why they got off their asses and voted for him. Also a lot of people thought it important to finally have a black president.

"Change we can believe in" sums it up - people could project whatever they want on Obama - and a lot of the more progressive element did and voted for him.

Schumer types explicitly reject such projection and try to drive those voters away. They aggressively alienate them.

Presumably progressives will be just as easy to fool the next time.

07-09-2018 , 01:54 PM

#6702

SenorKeeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

I'm sure your boy Trump is going to take care of it...

I'm not a Trump supporter? I certainly don't have any faith in any drug policy he might come up with.

07-09-2018 , 01:54 PM

#6703

SenorKeeed

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having said that if he Solves Drugs then I will gladly give him credit

07-09-2018 , 02:23 PM

#6704

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Remind me why we let literal Neo-Nazis post here?

People seem to like kioshk...

07-09-2018 , 03:00 PM

#6705

estefaniocurry

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Presumably progressives will be just as easy to fool the next time.

It's a generational thing. I fell for it with Clinton I. Knew better when Obama rolled around (but voted for him anyway, because what choice is there?).

07-09-2018 , 06:10 PM

#6706

Huehuecoyotl

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On socialism

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To recap: The most popular politician in the United States today is a socialist; the most admired American of the 20th century had a soft spot for socialism; and the most popular sport in the country is basically a “government-sanctioned socialist utopia.” So much for socialism, then, being somehow un-American or some sort of foreign import.

It is also worth noting that while the “s-word” may still bother a majority of Americans, especially older Americans, socialist policies are pretty popular across the board — including with plenty of Republicans. Writing for New York magazine’s Daily Intelligencer, and citing a poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, Eric Levitz points out that “a majority of voters in Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania would all support a socialist takeover of the health-insurance industry (so long as you didn’t put the idea to them in those terms).” He also observes that the “most radical economic policy on Ocasio-Cortez’s platform — a federal job guarantee — meanwhile, actually polls quite well in ‘flyover country.’

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/06/...tic-socialism/

07-09-2018 , 06:33 PM

#6707

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

having said that if he Solves Drugs then I will gladly give him credit

lol

07-09-2018 , 07:11 PM

#6708

master3004

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Originally Posted by kerowo

People seem to like kioshk...

Meh, he's just Texan.

07-09-2018 , 09:00 PM

#6709

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Meh, he's just Texan.

Let's call it alt-Texan to not piss off the non-white-supremicist Texans in... Oh, I see what you did...

07-10-2018 , 04:20 AM

#6710

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

On socialism

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/06/...tic-socialism/

Socialist is an awkward word because it covers such a wide range of positions. Still, so does "capitalist" and that's not a dirty word.

07-11-2018 , 02:05 PM

#6711

Trolly McTrollson

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People like Chuck Schumer *are* the enemy.

07-11-2018 , 02:25 PM

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What a moron. It should be a goddamned universal law that if you lose your primary you are ****ing DONE til the next election cycle, also that you're not allowed to run in two races at once.

07-11-2018 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Namath12

What a moron. It should be a goddamned universal law that if you lose your primary you are ****ing DONE til the next election cycle

This is one of the very few things Alabama gets right.

07-11-2018 , 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

People like Chuck Schumer *are* the enemy.

Cutting your own throat to own the libs

07-11-2018 , 02:49 PM

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"county needs an alternative to Marc Elrich"

***** they ****ing HAD an alternative to Marc Elrich. YOU. And they made their choice.

This **** is infuriating.

07-11-2018 , 02:54 PM

#6716

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Originally Posted by Jack Bando

Cutting your own throat to own the libs

I get the feeling that it's not the GOP/Trump Party kind of owning the libs that's the issue, but that she prefers GOP style policy and would rather the Republican win. After a very quick look and some possibly unfounded assumptions it looks like the Dem Establishment feels the same way and is putting her on the ballot prematurely as she hasn't officially declared as no party affiliation and doesn't yet have the required signatures.

07-11-2018 , 02:55 PM

#6717

+rep_lol

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need to just flood her inbox with hate mail i guess

07-11-2018 , 03:00 PM

#6718

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

What a moron. It should be a goddamned universal law that if you lose your primary you are ****ing DONE til the next election cycle, also that you're not allowed to run in two races at once.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namath12

"county needs an alternative to Marc Elrich"

***** they ****ing HAD an alternative to Marc Elrich. YOU. And they made their choice.

This **** is infuriating.

Did she run though? Seems like it's that her candidate, businessman David Blair (Fortune 500 company that sold services to health insurance companies - I think), lost.

07-11-2018 , 04:30 PM

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Namath12

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Ohhhh I did not know that, mea culpa

**** her anyway though

07-12-2018 , 03:27 AM

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She didn't run. She's on the county council. She's term limited in that role so there was really nothing stopping her from running for executive but she passed on the primary. Probably to avoid splitting votes with the other business shill who went on to lose. Splitting votes with the progressive candidate is apparently fine though. She's unofficially cleared the legal hurdles to getting on the ballot as an independent so it's probably happening. FWIW Elrich is still a strong favorite. I'm currently registered here and I'll be voting for him.

07-12-2018 , 03:34 PM

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Similar to the Elrich-Floreen controversy only on the national level and somehow even scummier: Joe Crowley is apparently still allowed on the ballot because of some group that endorsed him before the primary, even though they have now put their support behind Ocasio-Cortez. Crowley needs to agree to give up the endorsement though, which he's not doing.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...er-feud-714983

07-13-2018 , 02:51 AM

#6722

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Originally Posted by d10

If Floreen and Crowley end up pulling their bull**** and it results in suboptimal results I think the Democratic Party deserves its fate.

- We elect limp dick olds to leadership positions while the GOP has Mitch who basically eviscerates Dems like it's nothing.

- While GOP voters fall in line we rely on pretty much every demographic that can't get their ****ing ass to the poll or register on time.

- We have a large contingent in the party that is basically Republican-lite/corporate whores and actively fight against the main tenets of what makes a Democrat a Democrat. We either have bigots who love the New Deal or SJWs who hate high taxes.

- We are fighting an opponent who is not afraid to be themselves and fight tooth and nail for what they want while Dems are like a fat kid afraid to take their shirt off the beach. "It's okay honey the people really want single payer health insurance, you can take your shirt off now." "Nooooo, not yet mom, they're not ready for it yet!"

- Do Dems have anyone in Congress who has balls and can talk **** well? Enough of this "Mr. President, how darrreeeese you!" pseudo-outrage. How about, "hey you filthy fat philandering ****..." Get in the pit and rub his nose in his own ****. Call the GOP out on how many neo Nazis are running for Congress under their banner. Call Reagan a senile old who was controlled by the wealthy. Call out how many pedos are in the GOP these days.
GOP call us Godless baby-killing communists so they get to paint us and control the narrative. Dems need to start acting and stop reacting.

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07-13-2018 , 09:26 AM

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House GOP to bring Dem ‘abolish ICE’ bill up for vote

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/396721-house-gop-to-bring-dem-abolish-ice-bill-up-for-vote?k

I’m excited to see the bold leadership centrist Dems will display on this issue.

07-13-2018 , 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.)

“Democrats have been trying to make July 4th about abolishing ICE, which is a radical, extreme position that would lead to open borders and undermine America's national security,”

Quote:

Originally Posted by article

... ICE, which was created in 2003 as part of a new Homeland Security Department ...

Going back to the 2002 status quo = radical, extreme position

07-13-2018 , 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aarono2690

We have a large contingent in the party that is basically Republican-lite/corporate whores and actively fight against the main tenets of what makes a Democrat a Democrat.

these ppl are in control of the dem party and own almost all of the important positions.

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If Floreen and Crowley end up pulling their bull**** and it results in suboptimal results I think the Democratic Party deserves its fate.

the ppl that pull the bs wont be hurt. it wont be their "fate". they will keep their positions and it will be the progressives and country as a whole that suffers.

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