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07-05-2018 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
how did hillary's supporters "pay for it"?
You can't deny he got unfettered non-stop wall to wall free coverage all throughout the primaries on CNN, which is what I mostly watched. He never should have made it out of the Republican primaries. Am I wrong?
07-05-2018 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Yeah, plenty of them. Riiiiiight.
lmao
07-05-2018 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Has anyone coined the term click-hate? Like click bait but instead of '10 things you didn't know about cute puppies' you click because you're so annoyed that someone could say something so dumb.
it's called forumserver.twoplustwo.com
07-05-2018 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Meh. There's a ton of reasons to think Schumer is terrible. I don't think this is one of them.
right. if dems took senate and potus in 2020 and schumer pushes merick garland THEN, then we can **** on him. rn he's just playing with air and everybody but trump knows it because trump is a completely clueless n00b
07-05-2018 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
You can't deny he got unfettered non-stop wall to wall free coverage all throughout the primaries on CNN, which is what I mostly watched. He never should have made it out of the Republican primaries. Am I wrong?
yea, that part is correct, but the other like 80% of allegations made in that post were the uninformed ramblings of a racist lunatic.
07-06-2018 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
These liberals really need to start voting in primaries then. Oh right, forgot about the hyper fine tuned excuse making.
First off, what? Nobody is making excuses for AOC's turnout, because she ****ing won. Her turnout was excellent.

Secondly, who the **** cares about primary turnout? You just need to win a primary, the thing that matters is turnout in the general, which is an entirely different thing, especially in closed primary states.

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Originally Posted by iron81
People undermining the Democratic Party are the enemy.
Yeah, no ****. And those people are the conservatives telling Dems to run ****ty centrists. Bloomberg isn't even a ****ing Dem, he's a widely loathed independent who is good on all of one single issue.

Anyone who says "oh golly lefties I sure do like your platform but aren't you afraid that not openly loathing the poor might drive people to vote for Trump" are talking about THEMSELVES. Nobody has ever successfully pulled off the "you're making other people vote for Trump" scam, it's always clear that they mean "I'm going to vote for Trump but want to blame someone else for that decision".
07-06-2018 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
First off, what? Nobody is making excuses for AOC's turnout, because she ****ing won. Her turnout was excellent.

Secondly, who the **** cares about primary turnout? You just need to win a primary, the thing that matters is turnout in the general, which is an entirely different thing, especially in closed primary states.



Yeah, no ****. And those people are the conservatives telling Dems to run ****ty centrists. Bloomberg isn't even a ****ing Dem, he's a widely loathed independent who is good on all of one single issue.

Anyone who says "oh golly lefties I sure do like your platform but aren't you afraid that not openly loathing the poor might drive people to vote for Trump" are talking about THEMSELVES. Nobody has ever successfully pulled off the "you're making other people vote for Trump" scam, it's always clear that they mean "I'm going to vote for Trump but want to blame someone else for that decision".
A+ and spot on
07-06-2018 , 06:08 AM
It really sucks that Fly has figured out a dig it's going to take 2 years to disprove.

If you don't think calling Schumer "the ememy" undermines the Democratic Party I don't know what to tell you.
07-06-2018 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
If you don't think calling Schumer "the ememy" undermines the Democratic Party I don't know what to tell you.
"The enemy" is too strong, but he ain't exactly a friend either.

NY is a lock blue state. Why is their senator voting for things like confirming Pompeo to CIA? (see also Feinstein, Dianne)
07-06-2018 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
It really sucks that Fly has figured out a dig it's going to take 2 years to disprove.

If you don't think calling Schumer "the ememy" undermines the Democratic Party I don't know what to tell you.
I don't think you really understand how corrupt the NY Democratic Party machine is and how much Schumer helps to keep that machine going. It's not just a national thing, it's a state thing as well.

We don't have things like legalized weed, broader health care, usable public transportation, etc. because of people like Schumer and Cuomo who are ABSOLUTELY major allies.

If someone is preventing major liberal policies from being enacted, how are they anything but the enemy?

Oh, I also urge you to go look up Schumer's thoughts on anything related to affairs in the Middle East, including his vote on the Iran deal, for instance. Do you think that his views in this area reflect the broader views of liberals in this country?
07-06-2018 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
I'm a loud, brash, confident guy
I don't know this poster at all, so there isn't anything personal about this comment. But isn't the quoted excerpt just a euphemism for "obnoxious a-hole?"

The loud and brash adjectives in particular describe Trump, and that's not exactly an endearing selling point.
07-06-2018 , 08:51 AM
Being a liberal ally is like making love to a beautiful woman. Having a big (D) is a good start but its what you do with it that counts.
07-06-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
First off, what? Nobody is making excuses for AOC's turnout, because she ****ing won. Her turnout was excellent.

Secondly, who the **** cares about primary turnout? You just need to win a primary, the thing that matters is turnout in the general, which is an entirely different thing, especially in closed primary states.
Is there some ongoing illiteracy epidemic I’ve missed? The post I was responding to was already conceding general elections as late as 2020 because far left turnout will be low due to nomination of a centrist dem. The obv response is support far left candidates in the primary. If turnout for that faction is low and they lose (again) it’s not centrist dems fault.
07-06-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
The biggest problem is money. I'm a loud, brash, confident guy who can speak well and has 0 skeletons in his closet. I'd love to get into politics and run for Congress in a district that could flip blue if turnout fell correctly and the people who want to vote D had someone to vote for.

I have no idea how I would raise enough money to run against one of the biggest R fundraisers in the country. It makes you question what the point would even be.
you could always run as a justice democrat so long as you followed their one requirement to reject all corporate/lobbyist money. the group was founded by cenk uygur at tyt and kyle kulinski at secular talk and alexandria ocasio-cortez was the group's first major win. some other members include pramila jayapal, ro khanna, ben jealous, and randy bryce. at the very least you'd have access to a large grassroots network that could help you get started.
07-06-2018 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol you actually got fooled into thinking little miss hitler's actual position is that the coverage given to trump was a bad thing? lol. how did hillary's supporters "pay for it"? also that hypotethetical wall isn't going to be paid for in pesos.

so basically she's wrong and babbling almost incoherently, as usual
hey cnn and msnbc were hillary supporters. they kept trump on tv for free for months before the general election. for FREE. you know how much that airtime costs if you have to pay for it? so, that is how hillary supporters paid for it. the wall is coming and you dont even see it. once the tariffs wreck mexicos economy they will be begging to build the wall. this was sent from my desktop

Last edited by Loki; 07-06-2018 at 05:12 PM. Reason: Removed personal attacks
07-06-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
you could always run as a justice democrat so long as you followed their one requirement to reject all corporate/lobbyist money. the group was founded by cenk uygur at tyt and kyle kulinski at secular talk and alexandria ocasio-cortez was the group's first major win. some other members include pramila jayapal, ro khanna, ben jealous, and randy bryce. at the very least you'd have access to a large grassroots network that could help you get started.
Thanks. I'll look into this. I have absolutely no interest in lobby money, since I think it's the absolute worst thing to ever happen to our political system.
07-06-2018 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Thanks. I'll look into this. I have absolutely no interest in lobby money, since I think it's the absolute worst thing to ever happen to our political system.
Most if not all Justice Democrat candidates go on TYT and raise small dollar donations from viewers. Brent Welder running in KS-2 has raised like $100,000 from TYT viewers alone. Idk how much AOC raised from them, but likely even more, as she was on repeatedly. If it gets that far for you, totally mandatory you must shout out 2p2 on air, especially since you heard of JD from a poster.
07-06-2018 , 06:21 PM
" once the tariffs wreck mexicos economy they will be begging to build the wall. "

Jfc
07-06-2018 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by becky88
hey cnn and msnbc were hillary supporters. they kept trump on tv for free for months before the general election. for FREE. you know how much that airtime costs if you have to pay for it? so, that is how hillary supporters paid for it. the wall is coming and you dont even see it. once the tariffs wreck mexicos economy they will be begging to build the wall. this was sent from my desktop
Perhaps with just a bit more civility, becky88 will become a progressive
07-06-2018 , 07:06 PM
I read each RebeccaHeilHitler post on the edge of seat, wondering which device it is being sent from.
07-06-2018 , 07:08 PM
Becky Heil Hitler still allowed to post here.

Quite possibly the most obvious troll in P. Yet, still posts.
07-06-2018 , 07:09 PM
Remind me why we let literal Neo-Nazis post here?
07-06-2018 , 07:25 PM
Becky big plans for your 30th?
07-06-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by becky88
hey cnn and msnbc were hillary supporters. they kept trump on tv for free for months before the general election. for FREE. you know how much that airtime costs if you have to pay for it? so, that is how hillary supporters paid for it. the wall is coming and you dont even see it. once the tariffs wreck mexicos economy they will be begging to build the wall. this was sent from my desktop
There's no way a wall is getting built let alone Mexico paying for it. But if he does somehow manage to build it with taxpayer funds, I'm sure as part of his brain-dead base you'll believe all the inevitable lies he's sure to spew about how not to believe FAKE NEWS and that Mexico actually paid for it.

Trump could hold a rally, piss on the crowd, tell them it's raining, and 100% of them would believe him. The level of stupidity and gullibility displayed by this base is truly mind numbing. There are no words for it.
07-06-2018 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
I don't think you really understand how corrupt the NY Democratic Party machine is and how much Schumer helps to keep that machine going. It's not just a national thing, it's a state thing as well.

We don't have things like legalized weed, broader health care, usable public transportation, etc. because of people like Schumer and Cuomo who are ABSOLUTELY major allies.

If someone is preventing major liberal policies from being enacted, how are they anything but the enemy?

Oh, I also urge you to go look up Schumer's thoughts on anything related to affairs in the Middle East, including his vote on the Iran deal, for instance. Do you think that his views in this area reflect the broader views of liberals in this country?
All of this. The culture of NY/NJ politics has been purely transactional for so long that anyone that emerges from that system is still to this day hopelessly corrupted by its properties and has little remaining foundation of ideals. Frank Rich's writeup of Trump coming out of this swamp as a Roy Cohn prototype really nails it, imo.

      
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