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02-26-2018 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
For now. And even a one timer would probably sell if/when guns are prohibited.
It was a one timer that killed Jo Cox (UK MP). How many people do you think would have died if the murderer had an AR in his possession?
02-26-2018 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
whats wrong with kucinich? hes about as liberal as it gets and is certainly not beholded to corporations. the bank hate him with a passion and refused to lend cleveland any money when he was mayor and trash piled on the streets for weeks.
Was he the one ****ing kids when he was a teacher? Or am I thinking of a different guy?
02-26-2018 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Csaba
It was a one timer that killed Jo Cox (UK MP). How many people do you think would have died if the murderer had an AR in his possession?
Nobody itt is arguing against AR-15 bans?
02-26-2018 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Was he the one ****ing kids when he was a teacher? Or am I thinking of a different guy?
Maybe you're thinking of Dennis Hastert, the former GOP speaker who molested kids when he was a high school wrestling coach.

Fun Fact: Paul Ryan's favorite "majority of the majority" rule that he uses to block any Democratic legislation from getting a vote is called the Hastert Rule, after the aforenamed pedophile.
02-26-2018 , 11:34 PM
Ah. Got my Dennises confused.
02-27-2018 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Was he the one ****ing kids when he was a teacher? Or am I thinking of a different guy?
dont know anything about it. he was clevelands mayor in the late 70s and he was so liberal and so righteous that he pissed off just about every person on both sides which is about what you would expect since this is just another super corrupt city and it was proly way worse back then with the mob and all.

from wiki

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After Kucinich refused to sell Cleveland Public Power, Cleveland's publicly owned electric utility, the Cleveland mafia put out a hit on Kucinich. A hit man from Maryland planned to shoot him in the head during the Columbus Day Parade, but the plot fell apart when Kucinich was hospitalized and missed the event. When the city fell into default shortly thereafter, the mafia leaders called off the contract killer.[19] Specifically, it was the Cleveland Trust Company that suddenly required all of the city's debts be paid in full, which forced the city into default, after news of Kucinich's refusal to sell the city utility. For years, these debts were routinely rolled over, pending future payment, until Kucinich's announcement was made public. In 1998 the Cleveland City Council honored him for having had the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks, which saved the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995.[20]
lol didnt even know about the mob hit.

he does have an insanely hot wife who is like 25yrs younger than him and like a foot taller. statuesque redhead. oddest couple ever.

anyway, after that he became a rep and won his district like every year until like 2012 when the republicans gerrymandered his district into another dems district and he lost.

heres my boring story about meeting him. I used to play poker at the so-called "charity" games around town. well there was a massive middle eastern festival on the west side. lots of iraqis and palestinian immigrants. mostly christian I think. they loved to gamble and and iirc there were 12 tables going. 2 15-30 full kill games. I was surprised bc the week before other regulars had made disparaging remarks about the upcoming "arab festival" . I got there a bit late and was buried on the waitlist with really no hope to get in the game which sucked bc these guys were the worst gamblers in the world and they were cash rich. they go on tilt, blow their money and then run to raid their gas station register and come back with a handful of crinkled dollars and 5s. lots of regulars that would follow the games around but this night had the guys who only showed up bc it was their festival.

really crazy atmosphere, hard to describe. just tons of ppl across a big lot and large interior space.

so I go to get a schwarma and Im about the only white guy around until I notice everyone clapping and dancing on the dance floor outside by the vendors. I see in the middle some old white guy dancing up a storm and dancing with all the women and children. it was kucinich. really funny sight, but you proly had to be there. this was proly 2004 or 2006 and I guess the political climate was better than it is now, but I remember a ton of anti-middle eastern and for lack of a better term anti-brown people sentiment. even tho these guys were christian, it not like there were many black or white ppl there and that section of town is really mixed and these game would rotate to churches and italian/greek/irish festivals and had tons of white regs.

so I thought it was pretty cool that he was there and that it was a bit of a risk given the climate and the animosity at the time.

now I see on his wiki that he has been a foxnews contributor and has said some things defending trump and I am kinda scared to look into it more bc I always liked the guy and he was virulently anti-bush and cheney and those guys were crooks that slaughtered millions of ppl for a lie that everyone knew about at the time.
02-27-2018 , 09:38 AM
he also has seen a UFO and plans on knocking on the door of every homeowner who owns a semi-auto rifle in the state and politely confiscating it. lololol

he can have mine for market value + a snapchat video of me flapping his ears like dumbo.
03-02-2018 , 11:34 AM
I talked to Sam Jammal for a while last night. He's running to take Ed Royce's seat in OC. Probably best to just look up his positions for yourself. The only thing I pressed him on at all was to check our his warmongerness and he didn't come across as one. Seemed pretty smart and genuine.
03-05-2018 , 10:07 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/u...T.nav=top-news

As Primaries Begin, Divided Voters Weigh What It Means to Be a Democrat

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PALOS HILLS, Ill. — When Representative Daniel Lipinski, a conservative-leaning Democrat and scion of Chicago’s political machine, agreed to one joint appearance last month with his liberal primary challenger, the divide in the Democratic Party was evident in the audience that showed up.
Lipinski for those that don't know is maybe the worst Democrat in Congress. He voted against the ACA, voted against the Dreamers, opposes legal abortion, opposes gay marriage, opposes the fight for $15, and obtained his safe blue district in the Chicago suburbs by getting the state House speaker to gerrymander it for him personally. So of course any kind of serious primary challenge is good news.

The DCCC and party establishment has actually handled themselves well in this primary, refusing to endorse the incumbent and refraining from retaliation against members who publicly endorse Lipinski's challenger. So who is his challenger?

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Ms. Newman, a former marketing consultant who has backing from powerful liberal groups like Naral Pro-Choice America and the Human Rights Campaign.
Hmmm...

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Ms. Newman is careful to focus on economic issues and inveigh against “the Lipinski dynasty.” But what animates her campaign are matters of identity that are galvanizing Democrats in the Trump era well beyond Chicago.

Her headquarters, not far from the elder Lipinski’s old clubhouse, is filled with signs trumpeting “Intersectional Feminism” and L.G.B.T.Q. rights. When she stopped recently to rally phone-bankers, one volunteer wore a T-shirt demanding “Reparations Now,” a reference to the movement by African-Americans to retrieve compensation for slavery.

Speaking to her supporters, Ms. Newman invoked her transgender daughter.
Very identity politics obsessed, but to be fair, it could be the author's personal bias. So I checked out Newman's webpage and unfortunately there are a lot of platitudes that gesture toward specifics but with no commitment per se - "healthcare for all solutions," "advocate for livable wages," etc - the DCCC's preferred approach to policy during the campaign. Amusingly, one issue where Newman becomes hyper specific is in opposing the BDS movement (gotta get that AIPAC endorsement, bruh).

All of this is to say that Newman is mostly fine and anyone in the area should certainly vote for her over a Republican like Lipinski, or the actual Republican who in this case is a literal Neo-Nazi. But returning to the title of the NYT article, what it means to be an (establishment) Democrat, it seems to me that it is just generically opposing discrimination and generically supporting equality. It feeds into the idea that the D's don't stand for anything. Policy litmus tests need to become more of a thing on our side.
03-22-2018 , 08:44 AM
So.... Was there anything good at all in the spending bill
03-23-2018 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by vaya
So.... Was there anything good at all in the spending bill
Lots of good news for housing

03-26-2018 , 07:54 AM
PPP poll: Dem leads by 5 points in Tennessee Senate race

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Former Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen (D) holds a slight lead over his likely U.S. Senate race opponent, Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R), according to a poll released Wednesday.

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Tennessee has not elected a Democratic senator since 1990. President Trump won the state by 26 points in 2016.
03-27-2018 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
That's an insane number. Blackburn is pure evil, so maybe that's just finally catching up to the people of the state. That and Bredesen was a decent governor, especially for the South.
03-27-2018 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
Folks I've seen say 7 is probably more likely. Matt Yglesias has dealt with those claiming the gerrymandering isn't really a thing that matters in his standard fashion.



https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...05317095673856
03-27-2018 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
That's an insane number. Blackburn is pure evil, so maybe that's just finally catching up to the people of the state. That and Bredesen was a decent governor, especially for the South.
Most of TN has always known Blackburn is terrible. She had her little district locked up but I think she's going to regret giving that up to run in a statewide election. Probably already realizes she's made a huge mistake.
03-27-2018 , 09:45 AM
Stopping Blackburn would be a pretty huge blow to the Deplorable movement, and any chance the dems might have to take a senate seat is awesome.
03-28-2018 , 06:26 PM
For chimpstark: In New York, Trump Backlash Takes Aim at Renegade Democrats

Progressive groups are running challengers against the group of eight Democratic state senators that caucus with Republicans:

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Nonetheless, residual anger over Mr. Trump’s victory, combined with the Democrats’ hopes of flipping Congress in the midterm elections this fall, have invigorated efforts to drive the I.D.C. senators out of office.

A coalition of 60 anti-Trump groups has endorsed five Democratic challengers who will run against members of the I.D.C. in the September primary. The Working Families Party, which often cross-endorses Democratic candidates, has come out in support of seven challengers.

Activists from groups like Progressive Women of Pelham, True Blue NY and Rockland Citizens Action Network have held postcard-writing parties, protests and educational forums to inform the public about the I.D.C.
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True Blue NY and other groups in the coalition that gave their support to the challengers did so only after the candidates signed a pledge that they would caucus with the mainline Democrats. In recent days, those challengers have started to view themselves as a slate.

“There’s always strength in numbers,” said Alessandra Biaggi, the Democratic candidate for Mr. Klein’s seat who was endorsed by the coalition. “Having the same message amplified in eight different districts is very powerful and important.”
Meanwhile, the guy who leads the IDC has quite a, uh, bizarre view on the state of the party:

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In a statement, Mr. Klein blamed the anti-Trump coalition for blocking Democratic unity in the Senate.

“These fringe groups have repudiated efforts by the state Democrats, Senate Democrats and the governor to go into the November elections with a unified party,” he said. “If there is anyone who is responsible for the failure of the Democratic Party in November, it will be them. Their divisive, empty platform is largely responsible for Donald Trump’s election in the first place.”
Yes, that makes total sense: the leader of the breakaway group of Democrats who literally vote with Republicans thinks his opponents are the reason the party isn't unified (and why Trump won).

However, Democrats still need more gains in order to take power; Republicans hold 31 seats in the state Senate, while Democrats (including nine defectors) hold 30.

Get your act together, New York. This is why CA GOAT.
03-28-2018 , 08:34 PM
CA cost the Ds at least a half dozen house seats by makikng redistricting non partisan. Illinois GOAT.
03-28-2018 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
CA cost the Ds at least a half dozen house seats by makikng redistricting non partisan. Illinois GOAT.
Your governor is an anti-labor Republican
03-28-2018 , 09:03 PM
Ya'll are cool and stuff, but my state is one of only two where every single county went blue in 2016.
03-28-2018 , 09:22 PM
I always thought you were a New Yorker for some reason. MA then? Get in the cah and we'll pick up some chowdah.
03-28-2018 , 09:39 PM
I'm from the other end of the state, where we pronounce the letter R. I've also spent most of my adult life elsewhere.
03-29-2018 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
CA cost the Ds at least a half dozen house seats by makikng redistricting non partisan. Illinois GOAT.
its a good the supreme court is on the this gerrymandering thing by taking down the....Democrats in Maryland. country is a complete joke and really has no chance.
03-29-2018 , 10:36 AM
Seems a bit premature to say that before they've made any ruling. Proponents of functioning democracy should be fine with them considering the MD map though because 1) it's in the running for most extreme gerrymandering in the entire country and 2) worst case is Democrats lose 1 seat but there would then be precedent to challenge the maps of larger Republican controlled states which has to be worth more than +1 seat EV.

      
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