Everyone from a lock blue state needs to be primaried over that vote.

Also, that should be absolutely disqualifying for Klobuchar 2020 if that ever becomes a thing.

Amy Klobuchar has been trying to censor the internet for 8+ years fyi. No idea why anyone wants her for president.

Pretty impressive that the Republican from Nevada (dirty Dean Heller) voted against while the Democrat (Cortez-Masto) voted for. Smh.

There's probably a legitimate slippery slope argument to be had regarding surveillance but if you're full on libertarian on the privacy vs surveillance spectrum these days maybe you should rethink your position. It takes means and motive to attack citizens in a meaningful way (like the kind of attack that changes the "terrorism is not a statistically significant threat" argument). The means have never been practical but that's rapidly changing with advances in technology. The motive has always been there and you're naive if you think otherwise. If you can't keep countermeasures on pace to defeat the means of any random individual or group (you can't), you should think about how to target those countermeasures towards those who have the motive. Not sure how to do that without some kind of limited surveillance/other intelligence gathering.

If that's not a convincing enough argument, maybe just consider why so many Democrats who have been justifiably united against the Trump administration just voted to extend the administration's capabilities. They're either traitors to the cause or they know something you don't.

There are plenty of law and order, pro-prison, pro-military, pro-surveillance Democrats. That's all. The Dem party is hardly the party of privacy and freedom, just a little bit more than the GOP.

And really huge lol at suggesting that opposition to new and more lax rules on government surveillance added after 9/11 is the same thing as being "full on libertarian on privacy". Considering the state of the surveillance, policing, and military in the US at this very moment in the real world and your post here, it's much closer to fair to suggest that you're an absolutist totalitarian.

Derms

Look you're a low volume old registration date poster just like me so I'll give you the smallest benefit of the doubt but to me it looks like you both few-good-menned and 15d-chessed in one post. I seriously doubt Klobuchar has the best interests of the american people as a whole in mind here over the course of a decade. Please prove me wrong if so, I'm willing to listen.

Sure, feel free to attack everyone who disagrees with you as "law and order, pro-prison, pro-military, pro-surveillance" or "absolutist totalitarian" without presenting your own logical argument to support whatever not-full on libertarian position you hold. You won't convince anyone to come to your side that way but it's not like anyone ITF cares about that as long as you conform to the groupthink beliefs.

Lol. Is this your logical argument?

???

Are you arguing that without the renewal of the National Security Agency’s warrantless internet surveillance program there is "no surveillance/other intelligence gathering"?

Whose groupthink do you think you're talking about here? This obviously isn't Dem/librul groupthink. That's what we're arguing about. Whose side do you think I'm trying to win you to here?

Also, the cause here is freedom bro.

Interesting details on the WI race. One note is that if the state looks like this in 2018 walker loses by 25. Rural district, Dem was outspent but apparently a good candidate. Ryan won by 65-30 in 2016, but dems likely have much better candidate with iron stash. Still very much a longshot.
https ://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/01/17/daily-202-unexpected-defeat-in-rural-wisconsin-special-election-sets-off-alarm-bells-for-republicans/5a5eb5d230fb0469e884019a/?utm_term=.770530ad2e02&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

Seriously man? Project Veritas garbage + N.Y. Post?

I am ashamed.

In other news, Politico has a story about how Bernie-ites and the man himself are still not cooperating with a DNC that is at least somewhat trying to cave to demands from the independent. Despite efforts to change in ways that the Bernie wing finds acceptable, they still think the DNC asking for Bernie’s email list is “asking for something while doing nothing.”

Good to see they’re fine with an 8 year Trump presidency so long as it means the people they think were mean to Bernie suffer too. Real patriots there. Very vested in the country and their constituents best interests. Oh, and the planet and environment’s too.

As someone on Bernie's list and not the DNCs, I am thankful af that he is not giving up my email so I can be hammered with neolib spam. I have not read said Politico article but from what I've seen over the past year, attempts by the DNC to extend olive branches to progressives have been weak and half-hearted.

The DNC is the whole damn reason we have Trump and a R-controlled Congress.

"Not cooperating with the DNC"

Lol

It's pretty revolting that the Democrats are the team I have to root for.

I think it's a fair rule that political parties all suck. It's not like the Green Party or The Libertarian Party are really good for their constituency either. You get Machiavellian maneuvering in PTA boards.

It's like with football. It's not so much about rooting for any team. You just root against The Patriots/GOP.

Hahahahaha woooooo boy

LOL no

When they reach out, it seems they get nothing in response. So why would they reach out further only to be burned by the Berners?

It sure would be nice if the Bernie wing had anything close to resembling this attitude

I suppose the problem is that the issue is deeply systematic. The DNC has been run by and is run by neolibs who are complete whores to corporate money. They do not have the ability to appeal as a populist as the only reason they have gotten to their position is their ability to take in corporate money and use it to their political advantage. Any sort of reaching out to the progressive wing is done in a way that would maintain the existing power structures to remain in power, in other words, that the corporate money loving neolibs are still in basic control. Giving up power to progressives would mean their corp money loving ways would be threatened, and their power would decrease or be gone. They only want to appeal to progressives as much as is necessary to prevent their inevitable demise.

The truth is that the DNC either needs to be replaced or completely overtaken by politicans without corporate interests. I don't necessarily think it needs to be full of Bernie democratic socialists, but there has to be a rethinking of corporate/lobbying money and its impact on the DNC (in other words, kicking out existing power structures that gave us Hilary, a politician that managed to lose to DONALD TRUMP).

The DNC isn't as important as it is being made out. You support the candidate you like. If your candidate is popular enough they automatically get control. Yeah, the DNC can put a thumb on the scales. Yeah, they suck. But, like with the general election, the outcome is largely the fault of people who vote badly.

When has the DNC/centrists ever made a good faith effort to reach out?

If anything the Reps were against it because they didn't think it was pervasive enough.