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A thread for discussing whether the recent tweet of Ilhan Omar was antisemitic. A thread for discussing whether the recent tweet of Ilhan Omar was antisemitic.

02-11-2019 , 05:50 PM
02-11-2019 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Erm... you just quoted the American neo-Nazi and paedophile Kevin Strom. The quotation is often misattributed to Voltaire by neo-Nazi sympathisers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom
Sorry, to be more clear:

You can't criticize the military-industrial complex, because they hold power over both parties in American politics.
02-11-2019 , 05:58 PM
so is this the thread to discuss Rashida Tlaib having written an op-ed for Farrakhan's "The Final Call" ?
02-11-2019 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
so is this the thread to discuss Rashida Tlaib having written an op-ed for Farrakhan's "The Final Call" ?
She sounds like she was pretty far ahead of the curve:

"Lost in the often-vitriolic national quarrel over immigration reform is any examination of proposed measures that would result in excessive punishment, such as detention and deportation, for the most minor offenses," she wrote. "Concern for 'national security' has introduced unprecedented insecurity to living in the United States as a legal permanent resident."
02-11-2019 , 06:04 PM
also lolol at the disingenuous randy marsh from south park defense, "I thought this was America, what I can't be critical of AIPAC?"

omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.

there's a couple miles in between "just taking issue with some aipac policies" and what she flat out said. (good on her for apologizing after correctly getting called out by both sides.)
02-11-2019 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
also lolol at the disingenuous randy marsh from south park defense, "I thought this was America, what I can't be critical of AIPAC?"

omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.

there's a couple miles in between "just taking issue with some aipac policies" and what she flat out said. (good on her for apologizing after correctly getting called out by both sides.)
If you support the Republicans, GTFO. Your party is rife with anti-semitism.

There's definitely anti-semitism in the Democratic party and among liberals, but it's pretty much impossible to be a Republican now without being an anti-semite. I cannot fathom how Republican Jews do it.
02-11-2019 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I want to know why is she specifically blaming the tribe of Benjamin, though
In the spirit of Good Faith and Discourse and never once using anti-semitic tropes,

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Don't worry, you guys will get your pound of flesh from the guy sick enough to drive a car into a crowd of people.
Yeah, that's about James Fields.
02-11-2019 , 06:43 PM
pls excise this non-AOC stuff somewhere else so some Very Serious And Not At All Scurrying Out From The Woodwork To Concern Troll Posters can discuss anti-Semitism on twitter.
02-11-2019 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
also lolol at the disingenuous randy marsh from south park defense, "I thought this was America, what I can't be critical of AIPAC?"

omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.

there's a couple miles in between "just taking issue with some aipac policies" and what she flat out said. (good on her for apologizing after correctly getting called out by both sides.)
AIPAC literally does pay Congresspeople to support Israel. It's their mission statement. It's why people give them money.
02-11-2019 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
In the spirit of Good Faith and Discourse and never once using anti-semitic tropes,



Yeah, that's about James Fields.
Sometimes I’m like “why is this guy on my ignore list?” and then someone like fly helpfully reminds me. Can we just get a blanket ban on POGers or something.
02-11-2019 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.
Glad you agree she was telling the truth, not really sure why you're upset.
02-11-2019 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chymechowder
also lolol at the disingenuous randy marsh from south park defense, "I thought this was America, what I can't be critical of AIPAC?"

omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.

there's a couple miles in between "just taking issue with some aipac policies" and what she flat out said. (good on her for apologizing after correctly getting called out by both sides.)
I really hate being on the same side of an issue as Chyme. That said, it’s pretty clear the initial tweet about money *probably* didn’t reference the measly 3.5 billion or whatever that AIPAC gives, especially when weighed against other groups, and *probably* was in fact a dig at all of us wealthy Jewish people pulling the strings behind the scenes like every other anti-Semitic trope since the beginning of time. That said, whatever, she apologized, and she’s in the party that isn’t supported by literal nazis right now, so meh.
02-11-2019 , 07:16 PM
Is it anti-Semitic to think Adelson is pulling some strings in the Trump administration, not behind the scenes, but in front of everyone's face?
02-11-2019 , 07:18 PM
walk it off, Jman, you’ll be ok
02-11-2019 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Is it anti-Semitic to think Adelson is pulling some strings in the Trump administration, not behind the scenes, but in front of everyone's face?
If you think it’s because he’s Jewish, then yes, yes it is.
02-11-2019 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I want to know why is she specifically blaming the tribe of Benjamin, though
I didn't see or don't remember the pound of flesh post. It's certainly in the running among the most anti-semitic posts on 2p2 I've ever seen.
02-11-2019 , 07:38 PM
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omar wasn't just critical of aipac. she said that US members of congress support Israel BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO BY AIPAC.
yes, she left out adelson, the military industrial complex and the fact that their crazy religious constitutes want them to be Pro-Israel for very bad reasons.

why don't you put on your big boy pants Chyme and tell us in your own words why you think republicans support Israel and ****ing hate Palestine?
02-11-2019 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
I really hate being on the same side of an issue as Chyme. That said, it’s pretty clear the initial tweet about money *probably* didn’t reference the measly 3.5 billion or whatever that AIPAC gives, especially when weighed against other groups, and *probably* was in fact a dig at all of us wealthy Jewish people pulling the strings behind the scenes like every other anti-Semitic trope since the beginning of time. That said, whatever, she apologized, and she’s in the party that isn’t supported by literal nazis right now, so meh.

I’m on the side that she probably meant it as a statement about money in politics and Israel’s outsized influence on US policy but in any case it was a poorly worded tweet and she shouldn’t have made it. As you say, though, Chyme doesn’t get to come in here and tut tut the left when he fully supports our government separating families and throwing kids in cages.

The explicitly anti-Semitic tweet by McCarthy above is even more on the nose

Last edited by Jiggymike; 02-11-2019 at 07:53 PM.
02-11-2019 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
If you think it’s because he’s Jewish, then yes, yes it is.
Who said it's because he's Jewish? That's the bad faith argument Zionists love to use against any criticism: whatever you say, we know you really only think that because he's Jewish/Israel is a Jewish state. Zionists intentionally muddy the waters between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism. This not only silences good-faith discussion about Israel's heinous acts towards the Palestinian people and the motives behind the US's continued support of Israel in the face of such atrocities; it also gives cover to actual anti-Semitism by diluting the meaning of the term, allowing people to more easily attempt to dismiss legitimately anti-Semitic acts and statements.
02-11-2019 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
I’m on the side that she probably meant it as a statement about money in politics and Israel’s outsized influence on US policy
I thought this was pretty much the consensus take, which makes the choice of thread title unfortunate.
02-11-2019 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
Who said it's because he's Jewish? That's the bad faith argument Zionists love to use against any criticism: whatever you say, we know you really only think that because he's Jewish/Israel is a Jewish state. Zionists intentionally muddy the waters between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism. This not only silences good-faith discussion about Israel's heinous acts towards the Palestinian people and the motives behind the US's continued support of Israel in the face of such atrocities; it also gives cover to actual anti-Semitism by diluting the meaning of the term, allowing people to more easily attempt to dismiss legitimately anti-Semitic acts and statements.
I didn’t say you said it’s because he was Jewish. I was giving you an example of what would make your comment antisemitic.
02-11-2019 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
I thought this was pretty much the consensus take, which makes the choice of thread title unfortunate.
Agree. I don't think she meant any harm and I don't take offense. Like 2p2 politics is no big deal, but I don't think the thread title is fair (despite thinking it's fair to discuss the issue) and jman should change it.
02-11-2019 , 08:03 PM
thread title is tilting me.
02-11-2019 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DeuceKicker
I thought this was pretty much the consensus take, which makes the choice of thread title unfortunate.
How so? She apologized for it, implicitly admitting that it was antisemitic. The thread title is appropriate.
02-11-2019 , 08:05 PM
Is it ever permissible to use the phrase "pound of flesh" to evoke the unsavoriness of retributivism?

Or was it just the context of the neonazi demonstration that triggered the characterisation?

      
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