China is socially ****ed compared to what exactly? to other countries at that stage of development, which should be the reasonable comparison? i think china qualifies easily in the top 20% ever of countries socially, at that stage of development.

One of the best examples of a libertarian society yet established.

Ye because convervatism exists only in the us, and the us is the only topic on general political threads in an international forum.

In america most people abandoned conservative principles. And i am not sure why that's the case, it can't be the left damage only, or the gop corruption, because in europe we both had the great damages of the left and a lot of corruption both on the left and on the right but family values hold up much better than in the us at a societal level.

So whatever the reasons for the decaying of family values in society, i am not here to find guilt because it's pointless, people who understand that family is the pillar of good societies should team up across party lines to propose political solutions (even if partial) to the current trend.

Which means abandoning whatever other useless, propaganda crap you are talking about right now (muslim scare and racism and so on on the right, LGBTABCDEFG extra-rights on the left and so on) and focusing on normal people and households.

Which, in practice, means eliminating the marriage penalty for example.

And also introducing mandatory maternity leave at the federal level.

I know you want to troll saying that i troll but both proposals are conservative to the core. And yes the left at least gets the importance of maternity leave better than the right (in the us, in other countries everybody gets it). While the marriage penalty for state taxes is far more common in democratic states.

So i am not really talking democrats vs gop here. I think a guy like beto o rourke can defend family values pretty well if given the chance for example. And there are plenty of other dem centrists that believe in family values. And i think they understand how crucial they are for society success.

I explicity said black families are destroyed (among other things) by absurd incarceration rates. How is that saying they are irresponsible? society is destroying black families with a corrupt criminal justice system that is used as a weapon against blacks (and others).

Less focus on the state as the ultimate provider of everything and more focus on the complementarity between family and the state would help everybody in the long run. Conservatives (real ones, like i repeat typical mormons) get it.

But ye i must be trolling because i think some core conservatives (= NOT GOP) values are very very important for society, in a thread about what conservatives are right about.

Ye it's typical libertarianism 101 to have 90% of the stock of most major listed companies in public hands.

lol I don't know how you'd measure stages of development accurately but it's nowhere near the top 20% historically.

It's impossible to envisage Beijing introducing an equivalent of the Factory Acts in modern day China - the innate conservatism of Confucianism, backed by totalitarian government, has prevented social progress from being made.

What do you think are the working conditions in factories in china for the median employee? i mean give me a western-world equivalent.

Germany 1950? UK 1890? just to understand what you think the current conditions are.

Also i am not sure how factory working conditions relate to family values but nevermind.

you really gonna sit here and act like i didn't just quote you talking about america like two posts ago?

i'm not like these other dudes, i got better things to do than sit here and do this back and forth **** with an obvious racist troll who is intentionally polluting the forum with walls of nonsense. go **** yourself.

Yes of course, but as far as wider society goes surely they have some of the least interventionist social policies in the world, Easily top 20%.

At that stage of development all-comprehensive welfare systems aren't the norm (and weren't the norm), but yes china is a little less interventionist than the median at that stage.

This is why the radical left is the biggest threat to society. This lines of nonsense are a cancer to society. "obvious racist troll" because i advocate for maternity leave and abolishing the marriage penalty, and because i mention that asians do better among other things thanks to family values.

This thinking processes are inimical to civilization. This is another thing that conservatives get right and you don't.

Drink!

Once again you demonstrate exactly no evidence of knowing what you're talking about. Is there any subject on which you know anything at all?

Ffs stop this endless straw manning. Hardly anyone here still wants to debate you because of this.

Joining the chorus telling you to **** off.

So basically it's just black people who don't value their families?

Why do you keep throwing race into this topic? i disagree that race has much to do with family values. I think it's a very racist thing to believe actually. Group genetics has almost nothing to do with moral values.

Lol the guy that just called china libertarian wants to teach me something. I am all hears.

I was debating normally without any offense and i get called a racist troll randomly, and i am the guilty party.

You guys are the reason people like trump get elected.

Using racist to describe a person you disagree with when race has nothing to do with what he is talking about is, exactly, what the radical left always do. And, i was answering a redic post attacking me for no reason other than disagreeing with something i wrote. But i mean i am now 100% sure i wrote correct things after these guys start yelling at me, that's the best proof that i am right i can think of.

You try to talk about the importance of family values and people get literally mad at you about it. This is how low people in this forum can go. Unbelievable.

He's not racist, he just thinks Asians are better people.

If you don't like it you can either improve the way you debate or go and help your mum do the weekly shopping.

Oh look, Lucium is ****ting all over another thread. You're like Midas, but with ****. Everything you touch gets contaminated with feces and the world becomes a worse place.

I think the current asian culture (which is actually many different cultures but i digress) generates better human capital outcomes. The shared value scale among most asians, with regards to family values, as compared to the population average (or other groups average).

And i think that's a conservative value right there, as per topic of this thread, that shows in full force how much conservatives were right about family values.

I don't think their genetic make up have anything to do with it.

It may well be the case that working schoolkids from ~7am to 4pm and with homework until 10pm "generates better human capital outcomes" but you're salivating over a vision of a truly abysmal society that sees people only as economic units.

The joke is that it doesn't what you talk about or where, you have to bring up the evils and danger of the 'far left'.

Do asian kids in the US get more homework than other kids from their teachers?

Are asians children in the US living abysmal lives as compared to other children?

Are asian lifes destroyed by the fact that they care about their old parents more than other cultures?