There Will Be RESONANCE: 2016 Iowa Caucus Gameday Thread - Page 54 - Politics and Economics

Iowa kinda means nothing by itself.

Sanders takes NH and Clinton crushes the rest of the way, right?

Hello new President Hillary Clinton when she beats Trump who will sweep NH, SC and FL.

pretty much. ia and nh are the two states where demographics are the most favorable to bernie, so he will leave nh with a lead. once we leave nh, we start getting to places where demographics are more reflective of america as a whole (fewer voters who identify as "very liberal" and larger minority populations for two examples), and bernie's got issues there.

02-02-2016 , 05:01 PM

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yeah I think the only reason this didn't hit her harder is that people outside the trading industry don't really understand how absurd her results were.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707731/posts

Maybe this is where all the mystery Republican equity I was confused about earlier is coming from. I can understand why Sanders isn't hitting her with this, but presumably in a general election this gets a lot of play, and it certainly has a lot more relevance now than it did in the 90s.

02-02-2016 , 05:03 PM

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SuperUberBob

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It's truly astounding to see how easily people get conned into voting against their best interests.

02-02-2016 , 05:06 PM

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microbet

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...mary-4167.html

Hillary has a big lead in SC, but Bernie's moving fast.

Yeah, inthe GE the scandal stuff for Hillary, real and imagined, is going to be hammered over and over until people believe through attrition like the scandals are WMDs.

02-02-2016 , 05:12 PM

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Actually, I think the Republicans hate Hillary so much that they don't make optimal use of the scandals they have. They're convinced they're going to find murders or unsecured emails with the cover identities of CIA officers that they almost ignore the real serious scandals that they have. A public official diverting official email to a private server to circumvent or control FOIA access is an obvious scandal, but everyone's too busy dreaming about an indictment to make that case. A family member of a governor taking what almost has to be a $100,000 bribe is a huge deal, but it gets downplayed in favor of the impending Vince Foster murder evidence.

02-02-2016 , 05:15 PM

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Sarcasm? Probably sarcasm, right?

First, these are almost 40 year old commodity trades. They were extensively covered in the 90s (I get it, too young). It's super convoluted and no one was charged with any wrong-doing.

This is the typical dead end GOP scandal: literally decades old, involves no actual crime, and was talked about extensively on AM radio from circa 1991-1999.

At least like email server pearl clutching and Benghazi happened after the Berlin Wall fell. This story is not a story. It wasn't a story in 199whatever except in the predictable places. What new and exciting relevant things do you think there are to discover besides "Hillary Clinton made money"? Those coin flips she won yesterday added to the mystique of someone who can win SIX WHOLE COINFLIPS in a row and remind everyone of the 35 year old story they didn't care about 20 years ago?

02-02-2016 , 05:15 PM

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Say what you want about Hillary's likeability but there is no question she is one of the most qualified presidential candidates in history. I can't relate to the "Hillary is going to ruin America" trope. She's about the least risky candidate to elect in the field imo.

least bad option is the best

02-02-2016 , 05:16 PM

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omg this is disturbing

02-02-2016 , 05:17 PM

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I haven't seen this before, that's pretty crazy. You don't even have to focus on the results, the risk she took is absurd, if she were "unlucky" she probably wouldn't even be running for president now.

There was no risk involved.

02-02-2016 , 05:19 PM

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Yes if you think she commited fraud, but if you give her the benefit of the doubt, you can look at her being ridiculously irresponsible. She was on the brink of financial ruin and had she lost she would be remembered as a crazy gambling addict.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillar...es_controversy

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In a Fall 1994 paper for the Journal of Economics and Finance, economists from the University of North Florida and Auburn University investigated the odds of gaining a hundred-fold return in the cattle futures market during the period in question. Using a model that was stated to give the hypothetical investor the benefit of the doubt, they concluded that the odds of such a return happening were at best 1 in 31 trillion.[14]

There are some other interesting things in the wiki article:

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Clinton's defenders also stressed that Blair and others stayed in the market longer than Rodham and lost a good amount of what they had earlier made later that summer and fall, showing that the risk was real.[3] Indeed, some reports had Blair losing $15 million[18] and Bone was reported as bankrupt.[6]

The question is always do you want to prove that she commited fraud or isn't it enough to show that she has been absurdly irresponsible on multiple occasions and thus is not fit for being president.

02-02-2016 , 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chytry

least bad option is the best

life is like that sometimes. it would be nice if life was perfect, and we always had a GREAT option. but most of the time it isn't.

02-02-2016 , 05:20 PM

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I guess that's an attempt to tell me that my university is **** and I would earn much more money going to a different university?

I could study at Ludwig Maximillian University as well and pay 114€ so you are right, I could save money and go to a better university.

Not what I meant at all but given your reading comprehension maybe that as well.

Anyway, I was referring to you finding out how much in taxes you have to pay so that a part of that can pay for 'free' college education because the rest is eaten by public sector inefficiencies and political decisions.

02-02-2016 , 05:20 PM

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Not even joking. You may be right that no one cares because it's old, but there is no serious honest interpretation of that story.

02-02-2016 , 05:20 PM

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lol Cruz is such a scumbag

Maybe that's a doppelganger as opposed to his actual daughter.

02-02-2016 , 05:21 PM

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This was discovered after the statute of limitations was up and no criminal investigation was undertaken. The Clinton's managed this well and turned no criminal conviction into nothing to see.

02-02-2016 , 05:24 PM

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eh I didn't post it to imply that it would bring down her campaign.

but people deserve to understand what kind of person she is. her activity was so wildly (and clearly) fraudulent. it's a shame her political career didn't take the drastic hit it deserved. If people actually understood what sort of trades she made they would be unbelievably pissed off

02-02-2016 , 05:26 PM

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There was no risk involved.

Yes. this is my view. I think the evidence shows it's extremely likely she UB superuser'd this one

02-02-2016 , 05:28 PM

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My thought process is different. I have been rather lucky in life. I'm born into an upper middleclass family, I'm not stupid and I'm healthy.

But I could've been unlucky, my mother was very sick, with no proper healthinsurance my family would've most definitely gone broke and a lot of things would've turned out differently for me in life.

02-02-2016 , 05:30 PM

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Not even joking. You may be right that no one cares because it's old, but there is no serious honest interpretation of that story.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...0&slug=1902853

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But the information released yesterday by the White House covering investments in 1978 and 1979 also appears to support the couple's contention that they had done nothing illegal or unethical in the trades.

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Mrs. Clinton, whose commodity trading came during the early years of her husband's political career and before Ronald Reagan was elected president, was guided through the risky trades by James Blair, a friend and top lawyer for one of Arkansas' most powerful companies, Tyson Foods Inc.

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"Making the kind of money that she did at that time was possible but very difficult," said Chuck Levitt, senior livestock analyst at Alaron Trading Corp. in Chicago. "It just so happened that she caught the biggest cattle market boom in history and at just the right time."

Herds had shrunk for four years and inflation was soaring in 1978-79, said Levitt, who has tracked livestock markets for more than 30 years. Prices on virtually all commodities were "in a very strong upward trend."

"There were other people who made the money she did," said Levitt, but they were lucky, and their timing was perfect. As a new player, he added, "she had to have one heck of a good adviser or one very good broker."

The White House released the information in part to rebut allegations in the April 4 issue of Newsweek magazine, currently on sale, that Mrs. Clinton did not put up any of the money herself. The White House has strongly denied that accusation, and Newsweek has backed off its story.

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Mrs. Clinton initially invested $1,000 in cash on Oct. 1, 1978, in an account at the Springdale, Ark., office of the Ray E. Friedman & Co. commodities brokerage of Chicago. By Oct. 12, she made $5,300 and reinvested the $6,300 in several transactions. In a series of trades through the rest of 1978, she accumulated profits of $49,069, offset by losses of $22,548. The White House calculated her net gain at $26,521 in 1978.

In 1979, Mrs. Clinton continued trading in this account with profits of about $109,600, offset by losses of about $36,600. Her net gain for 1979 was $72,996.

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Mrs. Clinton opened a second account in October 1979 with $5,000 in cash, and her trading resulted in small net losses in 1979 and 1980. She stopped trading in this account after Chelsea was born, and the account was closed in March 1980.

The disclosure of Mrs. Clinton's trading came amid reports that her former broker, Robert Bone of Springdale, Ark., had been disciplined for trading violations in 1977 by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and in 1980 by the CFTC and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Bone, who had formerly worked as a professional poker player and an executive at Tyson Foods, often traded without orders or permission from his clients, and "at the end of the day the winning and losing trades would be allocated to the accounts selected by Bone," reported Securities Week, a McGraw-Hill newsletter focusing on securities and futures.

In January 1980, a committee of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange banned Bone from trading on the exchange for three years, Securities Week reported.

Bone consented to the sanctions without admitting or denying charges that he had committed "serious and repeated violations of record-keeping functions, order entry procedures, margin requirements and hedge procedures."

According to Securities Week, Bone's violations all involved the cattle futures market in which Mrs. Clinton made her profits and occurred at about the time she was investing.

So one plausible explanation: she got lucky her degen friend went on a heater? I have no idea. Could have been total corruptness. That dude who did her trade sounds degen/corrupt but also more or less like 25% of posters in BFI. I mean it says Bone is a professional poker player, maybe he is literally an active poster in BFI.

02-02-2016 , 05:37 PM

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Oh man THIS mentality again: when will American FINALLY vet Clinton Obama Clinton?! America MUST find out <whatever>, when they do, it's curtains for Democrats!

Preach on brother. You are just one more "deserves to understand" away from bringing down the entire operation of DemocRAT scheming and cheating, make sure to keep those letters to the editor going.

02-02-2016 , 05:39 PM

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It seems like you are trying to be fair but just don't fully understand what happened (which is totally reasonable).

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Mrs. Clinton opened a second account in October 1979 with $5,000 in cash, and her trading resulted in small net losses in 1979 and 1980. She stopped trading in this account after Chelsea was born, and the account was closed in March 1980.

The disclosure of Mrs. Clinton's trading came amid reports that her former broker, Robert Bone of Springdale, Ark., had been disciplined for trading violations in 1977 by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and in 1980 by the CFTC and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Bone, who had formerly worked as a professional poker player and an executive at Tyson Foods, often traded without orders or permission from his clients, and "at the end of the day the winning and losing trades would be allocated to the accounts selected by Bone," reported Securities Week, a McGraw-Hill newsletter focusing on securities and futures.

In January 1980, a committee of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange banned Bone from trading on the exchange for three years, Securities Week reported.

Bone consented to the sanctions without admitting or denying charges that he had committed "serious and repeated violations of record-keeping functions, order entry procedures, margin requirements and hedge procedures."

According to Securities Week, Bone's violations all involved the cattle futures market in which Mrs. Clinton made her profits and occurred at about the time she was investing.

02-02-2016 , 05:40 PM

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Some of you young guys will be interested to know Hillary didn't even change her name when she got married - something the mainstream media will not cover.

02-02-2016 , 05:40 PM

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haha whatever dude. sorry for criticizing dear Hillary. she is a saint and it is totally unreasonable to think she might have been involved in illegal trading activity.

Spoiler:

02-02-2016 , 05:41 PM

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Some of you young guys will be interested to know Hillary didn't even change her name when she got married - something the mainstream media will not cover.

And when will the lamestream media give Gennifer Flowers a primetime interview? The people deserve to know this exciting new story, never before have American's been told what they deserve to know, something something Bill liked to plow lady friends who weren't his wife.

02-02-2016 , 05:43 PM

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I suppose you have to give it the 2016 Edition update: Bill loved to bone trashy ladies, WHEN WILL SJW THROW HIM IN PRISON LIKE THEY DID BILL COSBY, clinton clinton clinton duck.jpg

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