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Originally Posted by batair
I asked was he in it. Whenever people start talking low status males i get it. Was just wondering.
It's fine. This came up a month ago or whatever because these guys in this picture below truly are low status males and I think their sexual frustration is not inseparable from their reactionary right wing positions, and I wrote a lot about it:
I get it, when you prattle on about useless, unsexed guys that were historical cannon fodder or monument builders to their social betters but are now part of the torch bearing alt right, you sound sorta like them.
I said before as I'll say now: yes, these are unlovable repulsive idiots, but ldo women and society owe them nothing, they're just losers. But they've teamed up with old whites, the mega rich, other assorted deplorables, etc. so they've got a form of political power now, no doubt. And I guess we have to deal with that. And as I said then as I said now, they've been "victims" of a sort to social forces the same way white people who fled the cities for far flung suburban and exurban nows now decaying and in rot while property values in cities skyrocket and money flows into them are victims of their own bad decisions. You can still recognize the plight without justifying the racism and myopia and acknowledge the bad decisions.
That is, I think young men have been put into an extremely hyper competitive environment -- specially economic, with increasingly stratified outcomes -- piles of riches and respectability for some, disrespect and economic insecurity for everyone else -- such that even if they're decently wealthy to start, their lot in life going to third tier state schools and careers writing for garbage right-wing blogs has probably made them somewhat aware about their failures. They're anxious they're squandering their privilege and how it puts them into a demeaned role in life. Mix it with the pedestrian degredations they face anyway for being ****ing clowns and you get a REALLY repulsive person.
Couple that with social context that is now deeply impersonal and huge degraded media and content that they revel in (e.g., disgusting porn, extreme racism, whatever) -- it's a pretty toxic mix. No wonder they think the world is on the brink of collapse. I said this before but like 15 minutes on 4chan would make anyone wonder what the point of living is, and how can we burn this all down?
I've even granted that the left, insofar as it has embraced cultural and social libertine attitudes perhaps has made big mistakes. Like, all politics is a circle, so perhaps I'm veering toward my conservative side. Or maybe I've aged into an old fashioned social conservative, but I'm definitely warming to the idea that the dismissing organized religion as regressive and leaving America's sons to raise themselves on xbox and porn perhaps had some downstream knock-on effects we didn't consider; let's get these teens signed up for Little League or Cub Scouts something.
Anyway, ranting aside: These dudes make terrible decisions and are garbagey people, but we can recognize the larger social forces that exacerbate the problem. 2017 America is the mix of your standard fare garbage people coming together during bad times to spread misery and make a bad situation worse, as is the paradox of the human condition from time to time.
Anyway, I think the mix of "yep, these guys are unsexed losers but hey, aren't some of our holistic economic decisions, government policies, collective social rot deepening this mess?" makes me sound like I'm sympathetic with specially these guys instead of curious about how we can not live in a ****ty society.
Last edited by DVaut1; 10-26-2017 at 12:25 AM.