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Originally Posted by batair
Women hit on men in the workplace too. I could of filed with HR...Not that it is a good idea to date coworker.
OK? The norm I think everyone should follow is universal. Work at work. Flirt, find dates and people to **** somewhere else.
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DVaut1 were you ever in the PUA scene? The way you speak of unwanted males makes me wonder.
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
iirc Dvault was (is???) bigly into the PUA scene, explains a lot imo
lol wat. I've been married almost 14 years now. But you can read their forums, or MRA, or whatever affiliated groups and fellow travelers. It's not like they are unknowable. My typical points about them is that many of them are self aware enough to realize they are unwanted and/or lower social status dudes, hence their anxiety. Their strategies and life theories and whatever else are usually the exact opposite of what people in their position should do, not unlike how I would describe Trump's legions of angry whites as having a mix of understandable frustrations, fantastically needlessly angry/nihilistic frustrations, and terrible political positions originating from them.
That is to say, I find the PUA dudes *usually* somewhere on the undiagnosed Aspie or social anxiety scale, or victims of circumstance (bad parents, unorthodox upbringing -- usually fundamentalist religious types, whatever), or your standard fare *******s and generally repulsive types -- who have just enough self-awareness to realize some fundamental truths about the world, that women are understandably attracted to successful, socially skilled, high status people. That's nothing for women to apologize for. And these dues, they realize they're often on the losing end of life experience and God given talents or whatever, BUT they are fraught with the understandable human desire to fornicate and have affection in their lives. It's an understandable confusion but "yeah you guys ARE losers, that's why no one wants to **** you" is I think both a truism but also some sort of PUA motivational paean or something, I dunno, but causes confusion if you recognize the truism and makes the speaker seem like a fellow traveler. Really, I'm just mean, I think. But I've never been 'bigly' into the PUA scene whatever the **** that means, I've been happily married for most of this millennium and got married when I was 21, and I think this confusion comes up simply because I am more than happy to note that yes, in fact, tons of loser guys are un****able due to the forces of sexual competition and they are functionally useless. "The world is competitive and you lost" is both I think 1) absolutely true for some men whose reproductive capacities will never ever been useful but 2) also some sort of aspirational PUA thing. I recognize the fundamental truth of #1; #2 is their nonsense, I dunno, I'm honestly not clear on it or what it really means for them.
Anyway, my only point from there was that mix of human impulses and emotion (recognizing hyper competitive social hierarchies and not succeeding in them and the way that weighs on the human brain) gets a lot of these PUA dudes into the world of *******s, nihilists, and socially maladjusted clubhouses (e.g., 4chan) where they all eventually degrade and migrate into other affiliated and reactionary related right-winger positions together. It was in the midst of a larger point about how increasingly competitive contexts (like economic ones where the differences between success and failure in the modern economy grows starker, or like the sexual ones described above) can foster all sorts of stresses and consequently reactionary political movements. I had some related points about factors that I suspect are leading to more socially maladapted males: the ubiquity of porn, the ready availability of video games and internets instead of more social activities, perhaps we can even kowtow a little about to the old school conservative point of view about the degradation of the nuclear family and absentee fathers or something.
It was to explain the current zeitgeist and the intersection of Trumpism, racist idiots and many of these dudes are in fact, undeniably huge ****ing dorks. And that's not an accident, that intersection is the way competition and environment and circumstance can turn people or large groups of people and move them into these right wing authoritarian movements we see peak every few decades or so.
Last edited by DVaut1; 10-25-2017 at 02:13 PM.