This entire thing is sickening. What the **** is wrong with these guys. How hard is it to keep it in your pants? Hire an escort if you cant get anyone to date you!

John Conyers, D Rep from Michigan, come on down

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/...ga1#.fqleQJzoX

This is not even half the complaints. Basically the handsy boss propositioning every woman in the office.

Many have probably have had “success” with the various behaviors they are getting in trouble for. They may not realize their behavior is creepy or otherwise wrong if they have existed in a world where they either never learned what the acceptable boundaries were or never got called out for predatory or aggressive behavior. This is why “rape culture” is such a serious problem. It normalizes or glorifies behavior that hurts women (or men).

Kind of an interesting twist to this story, or at least how it was broken.

https://medium.com/@Cernovich/congre...h-a699b8294212

Someone feed him this. Let's not pretend that Cernovich can gumshoe his way out of a wet paper bag. The reason why no one would have believed him is because he lies constantly.

A bit of old news but the Republican Rep that was all family values until he got caught having sex with an 18 year old boy in his office had a long history of perving out on college age and high school age guys in addition to the one sexual molestation incident

http://ijr.com/2017/11/1020133-exclu...p-wes-goodman/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKBN1DK2NI

Yeah, Cernovich doesn't make it a paragraph without an outrageous lie there. He should be banned from twitter as of a year ago for the doxxing/lying/harassment he has done. Linking to a piece by him is a half step down from linking to Richard Spencer.

It's sad that Eliot Spitzer got run out of town for hiring hookers. I understand that it was inconsistent with having to uphold the laws, however, stupid, but his behavior is really much healthier behavior than what all these creeping lowlifes were doing.

Conyers thing and exposure of the Congressional Office of Hiding Sexual Harassment are pretty big deals.

It's not sad. It's correct. Porn exists legally and accessibly. Just jerk off. If that's not good enough, try cleaning yourself up and being less of a piece of ****.

Prostitution might be ok in theory in another world, but its customers contribute to a pretty large scale atrocity. Same probably goes for a lot of porn too.

Yeah, this. Somewhat similarly, it's crazy to me how Monica Lewinsky is a household name and yet few people know who Juanita Broaddrick is

Masha Gessen on "When Does a Watershed Become a Sex Panic?"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...me-a-sex-panic

Sample size of few randoms (millenials) that I know and feel comfortable talking about their porn habits, but would guess porn is now moving to the amateur girls ****ing their boyfriends or masturbating on camera for $ being a large part of the industry, which I guess sucks if you're one of those porn as art Boogie Nights type of people, but almost certainly way healthier overall.

Not sure why I am coaching up deplorables, but I figure there's another audience here too.

And so it's important to remember having to look at some old creep's cock is maybe only part of the wrong.

Consider these women just want to work, have a career, get paid. Doing professional TV production ****, not necessarily hang around with Charlie Rose. So consider that when you finally get to the end of the scenario, it's not just a face full of dick that you didn't want to see, it's a bunch of lies and pretense and predicaments and wasted time that clowns foist on these women. Consider how much bull**** Charlie Rose peddled here just to get these women out by his pool.

Maybe you have the world's most bizarre sexual mores where exposing yourself to people is just something the world is supposed to shrug off. But surely Charlie Rose has done wrong by constant lies and bull****, right? Seems like he also fired at least one person for talking about him being a creep, so even if you're supposed to shrug off Charlie Rose perving on you, are you supposed to shrug off him firing you, too?

Like, yeah, Charlie Rose is a perv. But one of the other things about almost all of these cases is that the abuser's perviness is comorbid with a bunch of other stuff like being a habitual liar and functionally terrorizing your employees and co-workers, if only to get them into the position where you can prey on them.

I never liked Charlie Rose. Bill Moyers kicks his ass.

There's a lot of hysteria about prostitution by people who know little about it. Porn production is almost certainly worse in some senses (most prostitutes don't do many of the things you see done in porn, or get paid extra to do them; most do use condoms). It's probably more like working for Harvey Weinstein. Prostitution becomes problematic when it's illegal, as this favors the entrance into the market of coercive actors, and when the women involved are not in control (which is not always the case). The kind of prostitution Eliot Spitzer (or Tiger Woods, for that matter) used, paying 5K a night, doesn't have to be problematic and in his case it seems very likely was not (the problem there was that his job was to prosecute violation of the laws, and he was doing something illegal). But not all prostitution is "trafficking" (depends greatly on the locale, but where it is legal or quasi-legal, most isn't that form - the contrary idea is not unlike the idea that all poker players are degenerate criminal scumbags (so it has some truth to it)). It can be healthier than pulling a Charlie Rose and disrobing in front of one's employees, because there's nothing consensual about that. Precisely the problem with the Weinsteins/Roses/Ratners/etc is that they think they can get it without paying ... and even when told no ... and generally they show no respect to women as women.

This is sort of a life truism, though? Obviously being a highly paid prostitute is better than being a lowly paid one. But I suspect the vast majority of prostitutes are not 5k/night and servicing celebrities and the well-heeled.

I am not making a strong claim about prostitution either way but "the industry is OK because its highest paid workers aren't facing much abuse" is not a good heuristic.

I don't know much about prostitution, but there's a lot of trafficking (slavery) and anyone who gets with prostitutes has an affirmative obligation to make sure that's not the case and can't just assume that because the price was high that the prostitute isn't a slave.

I certainly wouldn't assume without evidence that expensive prostitutes are not commonly enslaved either.

Right. I guess I just wary about "Spitzer notoriously hired Ashley Dupre, she looked like she was living a great lifestyle on social media ergo prostitution is pretty good for prostitutes" type arguments. I think they're specious. Most prostitutes aren't high end call girls.

Like all things that are banned for only moral reasons the solution to basically all problems with prostitution is legalization. Then participants are making a choice to enter the profession like any other job.

Just like drugs, nearly all the societal issues arise from criminalization.

Possibly, but I think it's somewhat of an open question. If there's more demand than supply for drugs it's not that hard to make or grow more. But, if there's more demand than supply for prostitutes what happens? If slave traders can provide a supply at a lower price than the women themselves, what happens?

Perhaps the largest problem with drugs today stems from completely legal abuse, so that analogy doesn't really work.