100% this guy has assaulted a woman.

It means that you are behaving like a typical American liberal, i.e. a Stalinist. You are literally refusing to believe the evidence of your own eyes because that would go against the interests of the Party and you will only believe what is in the interests of the Party. And you will deny anything that is not in the interests of the Party. ('How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?')

It's not you. That's the whole ****ing point. It's not you and you weren't there.

It doesn't matter what Dr Modern wants. Dr Modern isn't sending anyone to prison. Al Franken is not going to prison. At most, he may choose not to run again.


If you are pretending to believe that a sleeping person cannot be taken advantage of, and cannot ever complain of having been taken advantage of, I suggest that you are seriously mistaken in law.

In a real Stalinist country Leeann Tweeden would be sweating onerous defamation laws.

I will once again recommend The Death of Stalin.

If the picture was just a joke, which makes sense unless the camera man was recording groping in which case he/she is culpable also, it doesn't change the part about the kiss or the way she claims she was harassed after the fact with bad behavior due to her avoiding him. It all sounds real to me.

If she also is using this as a political tool, well that's her bad, but it doesn't change a single thing about what he did. If it works? That is the consequence of his behavior. And it was probably being saved for a presidential run October surprise but despite it being the midterm there really couldn't be a better time than right now if it is a hit. Still, he ****ed up and unless he is ready to defang the push against Moore he got got.

Want a simple personal gut check? Imagine the accused is Sean Hannity and the accuser is a friend of Franken.

I don't care what repubs are doing. They are never going to set the bar.

There's a bit of misunderstanding here. Part of it is your fault (what you think is important is not what I need to talk about, and not relevant) and some of it is my fault (I enjoy writing in a confrontational style, but it makes my positions sound more set than they are.)

My posts have absolutely nothing to do with the interests of the Democratic Party. You're way off here.

I agree. I was not there, and I am not in the picture.


It does matter. That's what I was interested in discussing.

I'm not qualified to have in-depth disagreements about Franken's specific case. As you point out, I wasn't there and I have no idea what happened.

I am qualified to have in-depth discussions about Dr Modern and hypotheticals, because we can know all the details of those hypotheticals. Much more interesting.

Regarding Franken, in reality? Yeah, he's bad, probably, whatever.

Uh, that's not close to what I said? I said a sleeping person cannot credibly testify about what happened while they were asleep. Because they were asleep. This seems incredibly basic.

She probably was never felt up when she worked at Hooters.

"Well, if she was sexually assaulted before, it's fine if it happens again" ?

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In 11 years, i will use this post to implicate you for sexually assaulting me.

Wow, you're a piece of ****.

jjjou812, what is your thesis here? Your posts I've seen in this thread so far have been:

She was a playboy model, therefore ???????
She might(??????) have been felt up at Hooters (???? how do you know ????), therefore it's okay if ?????? happens to her because ???????

Help me fill in the ?????? here jjjou812; it's a miracle you're not banned.

Absolutely. Hypothetical also allow for a level of abstraction that cover whole classes of cases - far more useful for politics and law than getting too far into a specific case.

Does it matter if there was physical contact while Tweeden was sleeping?

If Franken pulled Louie CK while Tweeden was sleeping and no physical contact occurred, has sexual assault been committed?

I'm not worried, your ****bird ilk will never believe you.

If a tree falls in the forest pervert comedian jerks off in an office...

Not touching someone is not in the same class as jerking off over someone.

I mean i agree but not sure how you rule cases like this.

What if you jerk off 5 feet away? Compared to having your hands inches away from the sleeping victim?

She was asking for it right? If sexual harassment laws ever do go to far it will be because people like you. Though you would blame others.

Not even aspiring hackers are safe.

Seriously. Cap'n Crunch? Com'on dude. Not you too.

It's a low bar indeed to get you banned from Fox News but Gene Simmons of course finds a way to slither under it

Getting banned for sexual harassment at Fox has to be in the same league as getting banned for creeping at the mall/YMCA.

Jumping/climbing on a man's back is clearly a euphemism, right?

Gene Simmons is basically Donald Trump.

Today in sexual harassment:

New York Times Reporter Glenn Thrush

TV Host Charlie Rose