LOL pokerchris is a REALLY strong advocate for victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment - NOT an utterly stupid partisan hack whatsoever - and it's just the biggest coincidence EVER that the only people he wants to string up for it are...liberals

pokerchris believes.

Anyone that somehow makes this discussion come back to Hillary Clinton is just a delusional right-wing machista *******. Bill Clinton is fair game, and Hillary, being a political candidate and all, is subject to certain scrutiny vis-a-vis her attitudes towards sexual harassment, but to act like her behavior is in any way central to this discussion is just plain and simple ridiculous. Even if I concede that her defense of her husband is repellent, what's at stake here is the behavior of Weinsteins, Bill Clintons, O'Reillys, Trumps, Tobacks, Anthony Weiners, etc., not their cheated on wives.

So it's uncovered that a 90 year old man - formerly the most powerful man on earth, mind you - is groping young women while muttering new twists on the same line, and your theory is...what, it's no big deal? Like locker room talk? Additionally that it's just an MO / behavior he picked up as a decrepit old man?

LoL

If it was you whose ass was intentionally grabbed when the POTUS expressed a desire to 'cop a feel' you're telling me you're calling it a bad joke and thinking nothing else of it? Get the **** out of here with this.

And Chris the Libertarian recognizes this to be true but wants to change the system so no oversight exists beyond market forces aka SHUNNNNNING

No it doesn’t, it also ignores the progress society has made in recognizing how bad we treat women. Trump, while also being accused of sexual assault, ADMITTED SEXUALLY ASSAULTING A WOMEN to a talk show host.

Signs were pointing to 'yes', but pokerchris showed the answer to the question in the thread title is 'no'.

So you feel the same way about Trump’s wives, family, and supporters?

Was Bill Clinton actually accused of harassing? Or was it "just" about having sexual relations in office?

He was sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones.

Looks the men in power have things to learn.

Could HW be sued? Please not the "he's old" again. Let him be sued and acquitted. But the apology was a good move. He may get off the hook. This time.

Once a president always a president.


Edit: Looks Clinton exposed his private parts to Jones. Was he even well equipped? Seriously, Clinton (Bill) was an ******* too, just like his predecessor.

Tastes good? Did he forget about being a good example for humanity? Reminds me about the Kennedys. The more "sinful" sex, the better. Brothers competing with their father. They were good in other departments though.

Of course I do.

Lol

I mean, I literally entered the discussion to refute a dumb "false equivalency" argument, so it makes sense that if I am arguing against a false equivalency, that I would then not be supportive of actions by or opinions held by the other side.

So in this case, the LOL is reserved for you being somewhat dim.

Scott Rudin, Brett Ratner are up.

I have some mixed feelings about all of this as I am absolutely against women being harassed and I am fine that those who are serial perpetrators are getting their due. BUT the reality still exists that false allegations are a real thing as are real misunderstandings of behavior.

It’s just a tough place to be (oh just got note Dustin Hoffman harassed someone when they were 17) as a guy who does not condone inappropriate behavior at all while still knowing sometimes things are misconstrued or overblown.

In a case like Weinstein the complaints and evidence are overwhelming. It becomes much different if you have a single accuser with no corroboration. Also it’s troubling for me to say this but I feel like there has to be some sort of statute of limitations on harassment. On anything that reaches assault level (physical involvement, forcing, exposing ones self) I don’t feel that way. But if a guy made an inappropriate pass at a female forty or fifty years ago we should expire the clock. The world was a different place. If the same guy also did it fifteen years ago then I am fine on calling him out on it.

Right now the Hollywood dominos continue to fall but the reality is such behavior has not been limited to Hollywood. It just makes for better headlines in the media. I just hope everyone is responsible enough to not just slapping labels without enough information.

At least with Brett Ratner I don't. He hasn't had just one unsubstantiated allegation, he's had at least 6 with multiple ones being collaborated with multiple people that the woman in question immediately told them about it or situations he himself agreed happened but altered slightly ( he says he didn't masturbate when Olivia Munn came into his trailer but agrees that she came in and that she left in a hurry).

Second, the world isn't a different place. It's never been cool to masturbate in front of someone or demand that women sleep with you to order to get ahead. What's changed is peoples' willingness to come forward and for people to hold them to account, and the burden of having to deal with that should fall on the people who have done these things, not in their victims accepting that "that's how it was", because it never was that way.

As I mentioned I put sexual assault and harassment into two different categories and it is absolutely a different place for what a lot of what is called harassment.

I am confident ratner is a skeeve he was just a name that popped up. But masturbating in front of someone is not sexual harassment it’s sexual assault. I specifically noted that has not changed. However commenting on a woman’s look or in some cases falls under harassment and societal norms have absolutely changed on that stuff.

He was an Epstein island visitor.

Part of the discussion does need to extend to our own reactions. From attacking/disbelief of victims, being dismissive or merely disappointment because the accused is your favorite actor, comedian, football legend, political ally or even someone you know, our initial and actual reactions are part of the problem.

When the rumors about Louis ck came out my first impulse was to be skeptical because I wanted it not to be true. I believe it is and quickly got to a place of not prioritizing my desire to continue to admire his work unsullied above the reality. But it was still there briefly. The fact that the flood gates are opening is reducing that impulse.

We are having this discussion. I have talked to more of my friends about their experiences and also reflected on the many "minor" incidents I have witnessed or been aware of. It's not enough by a long shot, but it is something.

The Lewinsky thing was made into a fuss about sex per se, but any executive who gets a blowjob from his intern in his office would be considered guilty of sexually harassment and fired.

Clinton was on the flight logs to Jeffrey Epstein's island many times.

Clinton belongs in the same basket as Trump, Weinstein, and the rest.

This may clarify a bit: http://allhands.coastguard.dodlive.m...he-difference/

But we have to live with there is overlapping.

Well, this thread got massively worse, huh?

Jeremy Pivin come on down

Worse? It clearly is much better now that we finally got to the real point of this thread (and life itself, really), which is that Hillary Clinton is a serial rapist and should be impeached immediately.

Gretchen Carlson just released a TED talk on sexual harassment prevention, anyone caught it yet? Not sure if interested.