Capitalism being here for the foreseeable is pretty well baked in to the question of how far out of shape we want to bend ourselves in its service. As I see it, you want a narrow, rule-based set of norms regarding behaviour in the workplace. I want a broad readjustment of male attitudes to sex and to interacting with women generally. I don't see either as innately more achievable and I don't see how the latter isn't vastly more desirable. I think we just basically disagree on this.

You and DrModern are giving her entirely too much credit here. The answer she comes up with is TUMBLR MADE THEM THAT WAY. And her steps to get that answer involved like, asking them and doing no additional research.

Her (dishonest) retelling of campus activism against Greer and Peterson is one of those weird things that tries to answer a question, fails, but in doing so actually answers it. What motivates these guys to think PC culture has run amok? ****ing dip**** centrists whining about safe spaces and playing up the straight white male victimization mythology and the parallel "chain email right wing cultural war views are bold and transgressive" mythology.


Basically, Nagle answers the question "what do alt-right dudes SAY made them alt-right" but who gives a **** about that, it's obvious and transparent bull****. None of them were at a college that had pink haired ze-pronouned tyrants shutting down their center-right speakers, but they eagerly share every dip**** op-ed about that imaginary menace.

It's a rule of thumb and not a hard and fast edict. As I've already said, I've been in the opposite situation where things got ugly. It looks like you guys made it work. But you're also acknowledging that there's the risk of relationship drama bombs going off at work, and that's AIDS for everyone.

On the balance, I don't see how the downside risk outweighs the fairly marginal benefits of picking up girls at the office.

There seems to be a real serious issue with the concept of "rule of thumb" here.

The speed limit being 70 doesn't mean it's unsafe to go 85 on that highway in the middle of the night, but it being safe to go 85 in the middle of the night doesn't mean the speed limit should be raised. Because it's not always the middle of the night.

I'm gonna strawman DVaut a bit and remind everyone how much we laughed at Pence' s "no private meetings with women" rule. There was some feminist writing along the lines of how important networking and building personal relationships was to womens' careers and that it's important for women to be included in those activities

I realize Bobman has already come up with a "solution" to this of discouraging outside fraternization.

Kevin Spacey come on down

Two things to add to this thread.

First: Another former president, although one from Mexico not the States, also touched my butt. I'm not sure it was intentional, but he also told me I was a very handsome man so maybe he was making a move.

Second: Going back to earlier in the thread- I debated sharing this or not, but I decided it couldn't hurt too much and could provide some perspective. If it is inappropriate please let me know and I will delete it.

I am quite sure that I know (knew) Iron, though he probably doesn't know me. I'm believe I used to play PLO with him at Horseshoe Chicago 2011-2012. I could provide a description but it would probably fit a large amount of live poker players, but between the conversations and the Fire jerseys, I don't think I am mistaken.

He struck me as being quite intelligent but not totally socially aware, possibly somewhere on the spectrum. I don't mean that as an insult, just trying to add an outsiders point of view. Reading his story, I could see himself getting into a situation where he did not think he was being too forward or awkward, especially towards a female he was attracted to, but the female believed that he was. He could have been acting with good intentions and, posed with the exact same scenario from a better looking guy, the girl might have even responded differently. But being who he is, perhaps unable to pick up on the social cues she was giving off that he was being inappropriate, the situation unfolded as it did.

Again, I don't want to personally attack him, and from the time I spent with him I don't think he is a bad person, just that he perhaps isn't aware of how he comes off in social interactions and that led to his downfall in his workplace.

Heard some rumours years ago about his tenure at the Old Vic, too. Possibly more to follow? Another good chum of the Clintons, too, CHUDs gonna be all over that.

Wow, jeez.

I fully aware how I come off in social interactions, thats why I try to avoid them. I think most of this thread picked up on my shortcomings without meeting me anyway.

Is there evidence that a stricter, more conservative society has a better record on sexual misconduct? It's all availability bias for me but I can think of lots of counter examples.

Spacey was one of my favorite actors. I wonder how many other underage boys he doesn't remember making predatory sexual advances on.

Spacey's statement seemed very odd. There will be countless parties that I don't remember over the years but I'm pretty sure that I didn't sexually assault anyone at any of them. The fact that he's acknowledging that it's a possibility seems to indicate that it wasn't out of character.

I have no idea what anyone in Politics would be like irl, I think it's really hard to tell. A Politics meetup sometime would be fun. We should hold it in Adelaide, imo.

Yup:

Spacey isn't really denying anything, just saying, hey I was drunk and guys guys guys I'm gay

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who would you rather be, a money launderer conspiring against the US or a gay that hits on young boys.

I wonder how many child actors lives were ruined because of pieces of **** like Spacey, Weinstein, and the like.

A lot of companies (including my law firm) have started having offices with glass walls to "promote greater interaction," but really to limit opportunities for inappropriate situations. As a general rule of thumb, if there's a recurring workplace interaction you have that would be dangerous if you were a sexual predator and the other party was a woman, it's worth asking whether you could be doing things differently. A lot of workplace customs derive from a time when women in the workplace were uncommon and homosexuality was not widely acknowledged, so there is a whole sexual dynamic in modern workplaces that was never adequately taken into account. From that perspective, it's not surprising if some traditional workplace activities could be reimagined in a better way. Maybe you can't, life is complicated and social interactions are hard. But maybe you can, and then you can do things in a way that's a little bit better than what you were doing before!

That's ****ing stupid and you sound like Mr. Rogers, my dude. I'm sure Walmart, the U.S. Army, McDonald's Corp., Coke, and General Motors will all be adopting offices with glass walls to protect the truly vulnerable soon.

If glass walls is what it takes, I'm OK with it. If starting to educate people from near zero.

Having ex-presidents (and current?) touching butts must tell a story.

B because apparently media likes to bury the lede.



https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/s...72152133898240



https://twitter.com/maribar95/status/924885613677109248

I mean, why stop there? Why not just install cameras everywhere in the office? Why not a high-sensitivity recording system that's always on in every room? Why not hire security professionals to listen to and monitor these channels 24/7? Seems like you guys aren't taking women's safety seriously.

sounds like you have something to hide bro

"K-Pax" "21" Spacey is a harasser?

I knew he was weird, but this.

Who are you going to trust? It must be backward Hollywood culture, time to get the place cleaned up.

THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT! Keep your balls at least a bit more in the unknown land.