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Is there a sexual harassment conversation to be had? Is there a sexual harassment conversation to be had?

08-21-2018 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jt217
I'd imagine that there's zero actual evidence of this.
Of course not, but never let empirical observation get in the way of boldly logicking your way to an explanation.
08-21-2018 , 04:29 PM
Like the kind of desire that would compel them to provide alcohol to, and seduce, a 17-year-old they have known since they were first graders?
08-21-2018 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jt217
I'd imagine that there's zero actual evidence of this.
there is plenty of evidence that men prefer younger partners and women prefer older partners. That actually held up in every single country they tested this, proving it's cross cultural and thus almost certainly biological. There are plenty of other biological differences in sexual partners and sex life in general that have been measured but that is the most striking one.

This doesn't justify claiming asymmetry as a reason to think "less bad" of argento acts. Because asymmetry already touches the fact that young girls are attracted to people with money and power for biological reasons. And old age correlates VERY strongly with power and money.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...cientists.html

"A man can move himself two points higher on the attractiveness scale we used if his salary increases by a factor of 10," study author John Speakman told The Times.

"For a female to achieve the same two-point effect, her salary would need to increase by 10,000 times."

Here the paper

https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1...315-X/abstract

The evidence of asymmetry in sexual partners preferences are overwhelming and basically denied exclusively by radical leftists.

Close to denial there is the somewhat more common position of "it's 100% cultural" which is only slightly less embarrassing to hold
08-21-2018 , 04:59 PM
More generally as poker players you all know that a statistical drift however small if compounded by volume explains most results. Wether that is the rake, or a player edge vs the competition, even if it's as small as a 0.1% systemic edge in hu sng winrates, given a big enough volume it explains basically the entire results of the dataset.

Now we know for certain that hormones influence behaviour. We know for certain the males and females differ biologically in amount of produced hormones. So we know at 0.999999999 p level that males and females behaviour are biologically different (and hormones aren't the only thing influencing behaviour of course). We know for certain that behaviour influences preferences.

So we are 100% sure that preferences for males and females differ (however slightly), biologically.

Now as we said however small the drift, if volume is big enough, not only it shows up evidently in the data, but it explains most if not all of them.

Volume for male and female expressed preferences through differences in behaviour is billions of acts PER DAY.

Even if the difference between the 2 groups was ultrasmall, and much smaller than intragroup differences, you still see it as clear as sunlight in the data.
08-21-2018 , 05:25 PM
So you're still pinching women's asses on the train then?
08-21-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
So you're still pinching women's asses on the train then?
am i in the wrong forum?
08-21-2018 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom

am i in the wrong forum?
Yeah.
08-27-2018 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Gonna go out on a limb and say that she won't be.
it appears you were right.

They are going to air the already registered parts, but she is out of the show. At least according to variety.

Source of the leaked sms conversation where argento admits her crime is raid dove.

Link in italian, italian news agency

http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cult...43a17ee17.html
08-28-2018 , 03:17 AM
It’s very rude that Luciom assumes everyone here players poker.
08-29-2018 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jt217
I'd imagine that there's zero actual evidence of this.
Of course there's tons of evidence. Essentially all violence in the world is committed by men, including sexual violence. The asymmetry is demonstrable and obvious.
08-29-2018 , 11:21 AM
That isn't evidence for Sklansky's claim.
08-29-2018 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Asymmetry exists mainly because when a person has a child with their spouse it might not be the guy's child but it will always be the girl's. Thus woman did not evolve certain desires that men did because it was not necessary to have them pass on their genes. One might argue that the foregoing is not enough of a reason to have different laws for men and women. But it is a reason.
You think that's a bigger factor evolutionary speaking than that males had sex with relatively low consequences while females had sex with relatively high consequences. Makes it a much bigger decision for the female.

This is all pre-human (and even before homosapien) culture of course. Way way before pregnancy was a choice independent of sex
08-30-2018 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
That isn't evidence for Sklansky's claim.
It might be for his conclusion, though.

His evolutionary explanation is surely bogus, yes, but it's probably not that important to his implicit argument either.
08-30-2018 , 11:30 AM
The fact that an asymmetry exists, whether due to biological causes or sociological causes or both, is irrelevant to this instance. No one gets to **** someone who doesn't want to be ****ed by them, no matter how many other people want to **** them, and when someone says they don't want to **** someone else, they are to be taken at their word.
08-31-2018 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
You think that's a bigger factor evolutionary speaking than that males had sex with relatively low consequences while females had sex with relatively high consequences. Makes it a much bigger decision for the female.

This is all pre-human (and even before homosapien) culture of course. Way way before pregnancy was a choice independent of sex
Also the fact that the most performing male could breed in the thousands while that's physically impossible for females (in mammals). Which strongly suggests that male variance of talents is higher than female variance of talents for that reason.

Which means most human wretches will be male. Which means that the most heinous acts will be overwhelmingly performed by males in a society.
09-17-2018 , 04:16 PM
Why the **** did the New York Review of Books publish a self-serving #MeToo reflection from a Canadian radio host who got taken down by accusations from 20 women? Slate asks their editor!

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NYRB: Hang on. Hang on. The reason I was interested in publishing it is precisely to help people think this sort of thing through. I am not talking about people who broke the law. I am not talking about rapists. I am talking about people who behaved badly sexually, abusing their power in one way or another, and then the question is how should that be sanctioned. Something like rape is a crime, and we know what happens in the case of crimes. There are trials and if you are held to be guilty or convicted and so on, there are rules about that. What is much murkier is when people are not found to have broken the law but have misbehaved in other ways nonetheless. How do you deal with such cases? Should that last forever?

Slate: There are numerous allegations of sexual assault against Ghomeshi, including punching women in the head. That seems pretty far on the spectrum of bad behavior.

NYRB: I’m no judge of the rights and wrongs of every allegation. How can I be? All I know is that in a court of law he was acquitted, and there is no proof he committed a crime. The exact nature of his behavior—how much consent was involved—I have no idea, nor is it really my concern. My concern is what happens to somebody who has not been found guilty in any criminal sense but who perhaps deserves social opprobrium, but how long should that last, what form it should take, etc.

Slate: O. J. Simpson was not found guilty in a criminal trial. I assume, even if he didn’t have other issues, we might have paused before asking him to write an essay.

NYRB: That is true, but he was found guilty in a civil trial.

Slate: I think even if he hadn’t been is perhaps the point to be made. But let’s also note that Ghomeshi signed a peace bond and avoided another trial by apologizing to a victim. And these allegations were from more than 20 women. We don’t know what happened, I agree. But that is an astonishing number, no?

NYRB: I am not going to defend his behavior, and I don’t know if what all these women are saying is true. Perhaps it is. Perhaps it isn’t.
Staggering.

If you want to read the guy's piece, I recommend doing it with annotations from Current Affairs editor Lyta Gold here: https://genius.it/15384037/www.nyboo...ctions-hashtag

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Originally Posted by Lyta Gold
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Originally Posted by Jian Ghomeshi
But then we rallied and sang a duet together. And then we became friends and are regularly in touch.
Here’s a list of 65 women I have done karaoke with and did not try to choke
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Originally Posted by Lyta Gold
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Originally Posted by Jian Ghomeshi
Several months later, after a very public trial, I was cleared on all counts.
It’s almost like these allegations are extremely hard to prove! But why would so many women bring accusations in the first place? It must be for all that lovely public scrutiny and shaming and gaslighting that comes with being a famous man’s victim. It’s just so much fun to sit in the witness box facing your accuser while describing the absolute worst thing that ever happened to you, as his very expensive lawyer zeroes in on the tiny details you misremembered (as anyone would misremember) as proof that not only are you a liar, but also a stupid crazy ***** with a dysfunctional brain. And then your accuser gets off scot-free! So much fun. That’s why so many women accused Jian: because they were excited about the ensuing GOOD TIMES.
09-17-2018 , 04:36 PM
Glad you posted this as I've been posting way too much in the lolCanada thread.
09-17-2018 , 09:12 PM
Bet the ones he choked were trying to do Islands in the Stream. Always stepping all over the male part.
09-17-2018 , 09:25 PM
Finding out Ghomeshi was a scumbag really sucked. He was in one of my favorite bands in college.
09-17-2018 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
It might be for his conclusion, though.

His evolutionary explanation is surely bogus, yes, but it's probably not that important to his implicit argument either.
This isn't my explanation. It was something I read many years ago and it has an official name which escapes me but would not be hard to look up.

The really smart people on this forum must cringe when they notice some of the errors they have to overlook so as not to alienate people who share their political philosophy.
09-17-2018 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
This isn't my explanation. It was something I read many years ago and it has an official name which escapes me but would not be hard to look up.
Phlogiston and the luminiferous aether are just two examples of things that have official names and are also definitely wrong.
09-18-2018 , 05:48 AM
McD's workers walkout over company's lack of action.

On Tuesday Harrell and hundreds of other McDonald’s workers will protest outside the fast-food giant’s restaurants in 10 cities across the US, highlighting what they claim is an epidemic of sexual harassment for workers that they say the company has done little to address.

Workers in Chicago, McDonald’s home town, Durham, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Miami, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Orlando, San Francisco and St Louis will all walk out at lunchtime in an effort to highlight their struggle and call on the company to take action.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...sment-epidemic
09-19-2018 , 04:42 PM
09-20-2018 , 01:54 AM
Jian Ghomeshi is almost certainly a tool, but it really didn't help that Lucy Decoutere - the Trailer Park Boys actress and 'main' victim - lied about almost everything, talked to the other 2 girls about what to say and is an absolute nutcase. His lawyer had the easiest job ever.

      
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