What price? I mean ffs. If I found out that the owner of my favorite restaurant was doing what CK did I'd stop going there. That's not a punishment.

He has not been punished. People are saying they don't like the consequences he is facing so far, which are not legal and not litigated, because they are---so far---the same as Weinstein's. They are then comparing the damage of the experiences of their victims, but they have no ****ing point to begin with. Yeah, maybe if there was a trial and the sentence for both guys were identical they could start parsing that out, but as it stands there is only two ways what Damon said can be read---what CK did is not that bad or what Weinstein did is so much worse he needs to be "punished" more ASAP. We know which one he means. Stop playing dumb here.

The only thing the #metoo movement has accomplished by way of punishment has been to have people fired from their jobs/or lose/damage their livelihoods. Ironically, this same group is calling for the same punishment for Damons CK comments, trying to get him removed from the Oceans 8 film. Perhaps Weinstein will face more "punishment" from the legal system but the mob rule is punishing CK, Damon, Lauer, Kellior and Weinstein in the exact same fashion for wide range of inequivalent actions.

Fwiw. The police have opened investigations into several of the cases. Including weinstein.

Whether anything more will come of it, who knows.

Also. Exposing a bunch of rapists and abusers and making it much harder to exploit their power to do it again... thats not really an "only"

That is the only thing "the mob" can do. Boycott and call for people to be removed from their jobs. They dont get to put people in jail or give harsher punishments for more severe offenses. They think all should at least lose their jobs not that all should be punished the same.


Or people want Weinstein charge with rape not CK. Say they are wrong ok i guess... but ironic and treating all offensives the same no.

I am not making right/wrong result argument because i dont really care that the celebrities lose their celebrity jobs nor do i think the mob as any other power but apply economic pressure of buycotting/bad publicity. Cosby gets turned off in my house for the same reason.

Rugby, your point that these guys are removed from power and cannot continue to do it is valid.

You seem to not understand what a "mob" is.

This is just wrong. There is no "mob rule" in any sense. These people, perhaps with the exception of Lauer, have experienced very little direct repurcussion, and in every case it was imposed by their employers/funders. I suspect Weinstein being removed from his board and the like was all a public relations charade anyway.

The public's only mechanism to express its disgust with these guys is to not patronize their performances. Some of us stopped seeing Woody Allen movies and Roman Polanski movies years ago. I don't give my money to child molesters. That's not mob rule. That's like choosing to buy slightly more expensive but more efficient light bulbs. It's mostly a symbolic gesture at the individual level, but when the whole society does it, something has changed, even if incrementally.

As for Damon, he's not accused of anything more than speaking stupidly. Also at least as many people are defending Damon as criticizing him. He's become the poster boy for old men who think this is a lot of fuss about a bit of grabass. Moroever, while defending miscreants is obviously not on the same level as being one, defending a certain type of miscreant is loathsome, and being good friends with Ben Affleck is a counterindicator to not being a miscreant.

First, Matt Damon is not being treated the same as Harvey Weinstein. Matt Damon's career is far from over. Weinstein will be fortunate to avoid jail. Matt Damon probably will be in three movies in 2020.

Second, guys like CK, Weinstein, and Lauer all deserve to lose their celebrity cards, even if Weinstein's conduct was the worst of the bunch. As bobman said several pages ago, you don't use the worst guy as the benchmark and then make the career consequences less severe for everyone else. Put it this way, if your co-worker gets fired for screwing the boss's wife in the boss's office, does it follow that you should not be fired for telling your boss to go **** himself in front of a client. Of course not, both you and your co-worker have committed a fireable offense, even if what your co-worker did was worse.

You would be fighting Chris V for the title of best poster here if you hadn't underestimated the influence of Bear Bryant.

When the mob is petitioning to have him removed from the movie because they dont like what he said or who his friends are, its not about your/my economic choice to patronize his performance.

To date, the mob is a one trick pony with everyone in its crosshairs losing employment.

Soooo.... its okay if we choose not to watch a movie, we just cant encourage other people to do that? Or we become a mob?

My understanding based on alt right commentators is that if you liked the last Jedi you're part of the mob.

The petition is to remove his scenes from the movie; its not simply encouraging other people not to watch the movie. Pretty easy to recognize the difference when you are not part of the mob.

I mean, why do you care unless it actually happens? It seems pretty unlikely. Stupid people ask for stupid things all the time.

jjjou812 how does it work. Are you are in the mob that says they should not do that?

Follow this argument through. That petition has what power? What is the only negative consequence they can threaten or imply?

You are bordering on the "protest in theory is okay except any actual protest i ever see" nonsense we had with the NFL and BLM

I know you are joking. But yes, right wingers have a complete melt down when people the disagree with act in concerted ways to protest things.

I think people are putting words in Damon's mouth, I did not hear him say anything about Louis CK suffering no repercussions. He said that some people are violent criminals who express no remorse. Others are creeps who do creepy, non-criminal things, and express remorse. Those second type people may be worthy of forgiveness, at least at some point. They are not irredeemable. (I think Damon said something to the effect of "we can work with that").

In saying not to lump all instances of misconduct together, he was not speaking of the actual "punishment" handed out to each offender. He was saying that a person who does a bad thing and expresses remorse and accepts responsibility, should be judged differently than an unrepentant rapist. I don't see anything controversial about that. The outcry against him boils down to "how dare you say 'just' exposing oneself is relatively OK!". Which, again, is not what he said.

I think what Louis did was borderline criminal, he didn't have affirmative consent, right? I agree with the rest of the post though (assuming your characterization of what Damon said is accurate, I haven't seen his comments).

Because, there is no reason to say that **** at this time unless you think that they are being treated the same. The value is questionable af.

I had a coworker come in one morning and tell us that his wife and daughter, who are black, had a car pull up to them with and the white driver pointed a gun at them at a stop light. That is the entire story he told us when another coworker reacted by saying "it goes both ways, bro. I was jumped when I was in high school".

There is a pretty clear subtext there. The Damon subtext is more subtle but it's similar. That this type of response downplays how someone is victimized may very well be lost on the person who is saying this ****, but if so they deserve to be told. It serves no ****ing valid purpose anyway unless he thinks CK is being persecuted beyond what is fair right now somehow.

Ffs. So you arent really sure what he said, but are somehow convinced it was all the reasonable stuff you want to project onto him.

Gtfo with this ****. You are like the 10th person to go around this loop.

He specifically complained that poor old CK had been punished too hard. And no. Im not going to post the quote you lazy ****ing douche. Go back and read the thread or google it yourself.

Get up on the wrong side of the bed?

I think you should post the quote.

He also said CK said sorry and will not do it again...can he get his show back.


Anyone else waiting for more dirt on him to come out? Cant think someone puling it out and jerking in front of people does not have more going on.

I was responding to jjjou saying that the mob was treating everyone the same.

James Franco!