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08-20-2018 , 06:33 PM

#3351

Luciom

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By the way some day or another I would like to understand how a state can posit that a 17y old can't have consensual sex with an older (>30y) adult but can marry him or her.

08-20-2018 , 06:35 PM

#3352

All-In Flynn

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Luciom gonna file a writ of habeas pusseas and put the whole damn system on trial.

08-20-2018 , 06:36 PM

#3353

goofyballer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciom

i thought I had made myself clear.
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we heard her saying that it was a terrible crime when an old guy proposed a 16-17y old female to have sex.

LOL what are you talking about? The claims against Weinstein are not about 17 year olds. The claims against Brizzi are not about 17 year olds (from what's been posted ITT, including well named's link). You've made yourself clear that the claims against Argento validate her critics as "reasonable skeptics" and given zero reason why! "Made yourself clear", lmao yeah you have

08-20-2018 , 06:37 PM

#3354

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciom

By the way some day or another I would like to understand how a state can posit that a 17y old can't have consensual sex with an older (>30y) adult but can marry him or her.

Most people here think that 17 yos can consent to sex, but that this probably wasn't an example of such.

08-20-2018 , 06:40 PM

#3355

goofyballer

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Lost in all this is that Argento's career is going to be (rightly) ruined, and she never even got her day in court! Where is all the MRA outrage?!?!?!?!?

08-20-2018 , 06:41 PM

#3356

Luciom

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Lost in all this is that Argento's career is going to be (rightly) ruined, and she never even got her day in court! Where is all the MRA outrage?!?!?!?!?

she is going to be a judge in the upcoming X-Factor italy

08-20-2018 , 06:43 PM

#3357

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciom

she is going to be a judge in the upcoming X-Factor italy

Gonna go out on a limb and say that she won't be.

08-20-2018 , 06:44 PM

#3358

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Gonna go out on a limb and say that she won't be.

Or if she is, combined with the earlier thing about how Luciom claims Italians will now be less likely to believe rape victims - kinda seems like Italians are maybe ****ty people, and should try to be less ****ty? In USA#1 she sure as **** wouldn't still have a gig like that after this news.

08-20-2018 , 06:51 PM

#3359

Luciom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

in USA #1 a person that was on tape bragging about sexual assault as a way of life got elected president.

She is going to generate a massive amount of chatter, most of it negative, but if they don't make the mistake to cut her it will be a massive commercial hit to keep her.

And it would be in USA#1 too I think. Martha Stewart came back after prison iirc

08-20-2018 , 06:53 PM

#3360

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by Luciom

in USA #1 a person that was on tape bragging about sexual assault as a way of life got elected president.

Americans are immensely ****ty people too, but not so ****ty that Argento would get to keep her career! And hey, if there's one place I don't feel bad still ****ting on for their choice in elected leaders despite the utter ****storm that I have to live in, it's Italy.

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Originally Posted by Luciom

Martha Stewart came back after prison iirc

For insider trading lmao

08-20-2018 , 06:53 PM

#3361

Luciom

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Gonna go out on a limb and say that she won't be.

if I have the details right, they are registering already during the summer (while the shows are live, the first weeks or so are cuts from.some.months of registering given all the burdensome selection process).

Also xfactor is on Murdoch sky in italy

08-20-2018 , 06:56 PM

#3362

Luciom

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

so you are saying the court of public opinion consider having sex with a 17y old worse than actually being convincted for a crime against other people property and public trust? How have you fallen so low?

08-20-2018 , 07:00 PM

#3363

goofyballer

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LOL

08-20-2018 , 09:20 PM

#3364

6ix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

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And since you LOL-of-****ing-course aren't going out to bat for Argento's presumed innocence, let me just make this clear: It may be the language barrier, for all that you have excellent English, but whatever the reason, you are just not capable of fooling a competent interlocutor here. Maybe you have every Italian leftist you know in a real tizzy, with them all thinking you're this morally consistent good-faith commentator and boy what difficult questions these are, but it's not gonna work here, man. You're just gonna keep stepping on rakes.

That's like stepping on the rake whilst it's still in his hand.

08-21-2018 , 01:53 PM

#3365

bacalaopeace

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Luciom

it's nice to see you are always after justice, and you think naming and shaming sexual criminals is a moral duty. Interestingly, you said nothing about Argento having sex with a 17y old. You didn't feel the need to say anything at all on it.

While I perfectly remember how you were talking about white males sexually harassing or God forbid having relationships with minors. From a position of asymetrical power nonetheless.

Now, any however slight shred of goodwill you could have faked has gone away. You care 0, nada, about sexual improprieties. You have no moral qualms about powerful people having sex with minors.

You have a big problem with powerful white males though and the metoo campaign satisfies that bloodthirst adequately.

Because if you even felt for real what you faked about sexual harassment in this thread, the first and only legitimate reaction to argento paying 380k to avoid prison time after raping (that's the word you use when a 35y olds has sex with a 17y old from a position of power, am I right?) a child (that's the word you use when the 17y is female right?) Would be disgust. You would have wrote some lines if argento was male and the victim female. Some line deep of hatred for argento and what it means for society and what we need to do to stop this utmost evil and so on.

But no, nada. Not a word. And this is the definite proof that you are in bad faith when you argue about this topic.

All these issues are just not symmetric with respect to male female.

The number of 17 year old men, or former 17 year old men, who would not joyfully have sex with Asia Argento if forced to is vanishingly small. It's just bull**** to pretend otherwise.

08-21-2018 , 02:01 PM

#3366

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace

Hmmm, let's see if we can have anyone come up with an example of a guy who doesn't want to **** her.

08-21-2018 , 02:08 PM

#3367

All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace

Conceding the general case of asymmetry (though frankly, I think people overstate it significantly), how familiar are you with the details of the case?

08-21-2018 , 02:15 PM

#3368

bacalaopeace

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

Conceding the general case of asymmetry (though frankly, I think people overstate it significantly), how familiar are you with the details of the case?

Not even slightly familiar. I'm prepared to believe there are exceptions to general rules, and also that Asia Argento is a lowlife, although obviously nothing of the Harvey Weinstein sort.

But all this faux outrage at a 17 year old having sex is not doing the metoo movement any favors.

08-21-2018 , 02:16 PM

#3369

kerowo

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So 17 year olds can't be raped? That's good to know.

08-21-2018 , 02:19 PM

#3370

Johnny Truant

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It’s not all that relevant what lots of people would be okay with. I imagine I’d have been fine with it myself in a bubble and without having experienced the previous 10 years of child/adult relationship with her. So ****ing what? This woman also exists:

It’s not a valid argument that the behavior is okay or that the victim is not a victim.

08-21-2018 , 02:25 PM

#3371

All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace

Not even slightly familiar.

Then this is just the perfect time to be flapping your gums, isn't it?

08-21-2018 , 03:06 PM

#3372

David Sklansky

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Asymmetry exists mainly because when a person has a child with their spouse it might not be the guy's child but it will always be the girl's. Thus woman did not evolve certain desires that men did because it was not necessary to have them pass on their genes. One might argue that the foregoing is not enough of a reason to have different laws for men and women. But it is a reason.

08-21-2018 , 03:19 PM

#3373

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Logicking evolutionary biology and sociology is hilarious. Anyone who knows anything about either subject knows that logic has no place in explanations of why things are the way they are.

08-21-2018 , 03:44 PM

#3374

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08-21-2018 , 04:04 PM

#3375

jt217

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Asymmetry exists mainly because when a person has a child with their spouse it might not be the guy's child but it will always be the girl's. Thus woman did not evolve certain desires that men did because it was not necessary to have them pass on their genes. One might argue that the foregoing is not enough of a reason to have different laws for men and women. But it is a reason.

I'd imagine that there's zero actual evidence of this.

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