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Is there a sexual harassment conversation to be had? Is there a sexual harassment conversation to be had?

12-13-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
That in the last decade or two it has become possible to determine parentage in no way is an argument against the operation of sexual selection in human evolution. Most biologists who study the subject and aren't completely blindered ideologically think some kind of sexual selection has operated in human evolution. Maybe not how Sklansky describes, but his off the cuff reasoning isn't that terrible. In any case, in practice, most men don't really know that their children are for sure their children. Most folks don't have DNA testing done.
Are you... *squints* are you arguing that sexual selection produced sexual dimorphism?
12-13-2017 , 04:44 PM
A reporter writes about her experiences with the open secrets that everyone knew about Judge Kozinski

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Everybody knew. This is the problem with a system of “open secrets.” All the clerks and former clerks in Kozinski’s ambit knew and understood that you assumed the risk and accepted the responsibilities of secrecy. Once you acceded to the poker games and the movies and the ritualized sex talk, you helped give it cover and license. To sit at a table with Judge Kozinski was to suspend rules for how judges talk and behave. The swearing and the gleeful overt talk of sexuality wasn’t just part of the bargain of being around him. Our silence became tacit approval of that chambers’ gleeful rejection of the strictures of political correctness and of the social imperative to police oneself.
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I always figured I would feel better when Judge Kozinski’s #MeToo came home to roost. I don’t. His reactions to the accusers—belittling their allegations, shaming Bond for writing sex scenes in romance novels—were the reactions I was trying to avoid bringing down on myself when I failed to insist that Article III judges not talk to and about women this way, not at work, and not as we struggled to find purchase in the profession of our choosing. Somewhere along the way I managed to create a career for myself. In part, I did it by keeping secrets. I’d like to be done with that now.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...complices.html
12-13-2017 , 04:46 PM
Well I'm glad they developed a conscience after the element of personal risk was removed from their lives. Took a lot of courage to speak out well after someone else. <YAWN>
12-13-2017 , 05:57 PM
Is there ever a take involving evolutionary biology that isn't terrible?
12-13-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Is there ever a take involving evolutionary biology that isn't terrible?
Obviously yes, but never when the take is about social science.
12-14-2017 , 01:17 AM
Tavis Smiley, come on down... you're the next person to be indefinitely suspended for inappropriate sexual behavior
12-14-2017 , 04:05 AM
Morgan Spurlock didn't even wait for people to accuse him of sexual harassment or rape

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/se...onduct-n829581
12-14-2017 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Morgan Spurlock didn't even wait for people to accuse him of sexual harassment or rape

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/se...onduct-n829581
Step in the right direction. Next up on the path to progress: men don't even wait for people to accuse them of sexual harassment and rape and own up to it BEFORE they even do the bad things.

Next step after THAT: men institute self-control strategies to own up to their intentions to sexually harass, assault and generally degrade women and then work to preemptively prevent those actions from occurring by not doing them at all.
12-14-2017 , 05:11 AM
I played live pokers tonight. When one of the chip runners (an attractive woman) would come by our table an older dude at the table who apparently was a regular would call her "sexy" (like when referring to her, as if it was her name). I didn't hear what came before this but at some point she responded to him "oh, you like my shirt?" (it was her employer-issued uniform) and he said "I like the outfit underneath". Meanwhile he's laughing, this is fun and games.

Reminder to self: stop playing live pokers. Casino degenerates are the worst.
12-14-2017 , 05:26 AM
Which cohort has a bigger percentage of the scum of the earth: live poker players, or convicted felons? Gotta be close imo.
12-14-2017 , 06:14 AM
The overlap has to be significant.
12-14-2017 , 09:54 AM
Has anyone posted about this yet? A Thursday feel-good story. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-johnson-death

Kentucky state representative Dan Johnson, who managed to get elected after sharing stuff like this on facebook because lol kentucky

As you can tell, Dan was a local pastor and good Christian man, who supported good Christian legislation like having the Bible taught in public schools. He ran a good Christian campaign where he accused his opponent of murdering 80,000 babies and co-ordinating with Barack Obama to send 'Chicago thugs' after his family, and gave out her home address to his extremely normal and well-balanced supporters.

Unfortunately, Dan was revealed recently to have committed some rather unChristian acts, like sexually assaulting/raping his daughter's 17 year old friend on NYE 2012.

Dan understood that raping teenage girls attracts quite negative PR these days, so decided to drum up some sympathy points by posting a rambling facebook message about how he is innocent, he loves his family, 9/11 gave him PTSD for some reason, and that we shouldn't be mad at his accuser because the real accuser is Satan - before fatally shooting himself in the head.

Read the full story of Dan Johnson, an hero who was too beautiful for this world, whose death is definitely extremely sad, here: http://longcon.kycir.org/
12-14-2017 , 11:45 AM
These goofs tried to frame Schumer

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-c...mpression=true

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On Tuesday afternoon, right-wing social media personalities Charles Johnson and Mike Cernovich boasted of obtaining a document that would put a senator out of a job.

“Michael Cernovich & I are going to end the career of a U.S. Senator,” Johnson posted on Facebook on Monday.

The senator was Minority Leader Charles Schumer of New York, Axios first reported.

But the document was fake. A copy of the document, obtained by The Daily Beast, purports to be draft lawsuit complaint against Schumer by a former staffer. It accuses him of sexual harassment. Schumer’s office told The Daily Beast the document and her signature are forgeries. Schumer’s office said the senator was not in Washington, D.C. or the United States during several dates in the document when he is said to have harassed the staffer.
12-14-2017 , 06:10 PM
[QUOTE=Kafja;53237934]Has anyone posted about this yet? A Thursday feel-good story. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-johnson-death

See what happens when you commit an act of violence and dont call someone by their chosen pronouns.......
12-16-2017 , 12:25 AM
12-16-2017 , 09:07 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42377607
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Actress Mira Sorvino said she is "heartsick" after learning she may have lost out on major roles because of Harvey Weinstein.

Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson said both Sorvino and Ashley Judd were "blacklisted" following conversations with Weinstein's company.

Both actresses have claimed the media mogul sexually harassed them.

Weinstein has denied allegations of misconduct, and of blacklisting the actresses.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy was initially in development with Weinstein's Miramax company, before being passed to New Line Cinema.

In an interview with Stuff.co.nz this week, Jackson said he was interested in casting both women in the blockbuster franchise.

"I recall Miramax telling us they were a nightmare to work with and we should avoid them at all costs. This was probably in 1998," he told the site.

"At the time, we had no reason to question what these guys were telling us."

"I now suspect we were fed false information about both of these talented women - and as a direct result their names were removed from our casting list."

"In hindsight, I realise that this was very likely the Miramax smear campaign in full swing," Jackson said.
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Sorvino said in a tweet: "Just seeing this after I awoke, I burst out crying."

"There it is, confirmation that Harvey Weinstein derailed my career, something I suspected but was unsure. Thank you Peter Jackson for being honest. I'm just heartsick."
12-16-2017 , 10:04 AM
I say all the females on Earth take off and nuke the entire planet from orbit. Only way to be sure.
12-16-2017 , 04:28 PM
Matt Damon taking some heat for saying something perfectly reasonable, Minne Driver lashes back so no chance for Good Will Hunting part deux
12-16-2017 , 04:53 PM
Yeah Matt Damon's comments seem fine.
12-16-2017 , 07:26 PM
I don't get Milano's comments about gaslighting and being made to feel like the behavior was acceptable. The only thing that changed was that she is now speaking up about it, wasn't she one of the first women who did?

I don't excuse any of the men who did the bad things. But I can't help thinking that they could have been stopped much earlier (and we might even have a feminist woman president instead of a molesting male one) if victims like Milano had spoken up sooner.
12-16-2017 , 07:29 PM
Everyone see the new Dustin Hoffman stuff?

Got naked and asked for a foot massage from the 16 year old friend of his daughter while waiting for her mother to cone pick her up.

Sigh
12-16-2017 , 08:17 PM
Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, no one wants to see your dick!

Seriously, who raises their kids to think it's ok to just whip it out if you see a hot girl?
12-16-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't get Milano's comments about gaslighting and being made to feel like the behavior was acceptable. The only thing that changed was that she is now speaking up about it, wasn't she one of the first women who did?

I don't excuse any of the men who did the bad things. But I can't help thinking that they could have been stopped much earlier (and we might even have a feminist woman president instead of a molesting male one) if victims like Milano had spoken up sooner.
I'm not sure you get how bad it was for victims who spoke up in the past. Not being believed, the behavior being shrugged off as normal/high jinks along with great harm to their career were the norm. Plus them being blamed and having their private lives dragged through the mud.

The norms (along with the related ability to share information) have now shifted enough so that they can start to speak up.
12-16-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm not sure you get how bad it was for victims who spoke up in the past. Not being believed, the behavior being shrugged off as normal/high jinks along with great harm to their career were the norm. Plus them being blamed and having their private lives dragged through the mud.

The norms (along with the related ability to share information) have now shifted enough so that they can start to speak up.
So when exactly did it change? the country elected a sexual harasser to the highest office in the land just a year ago.

It seems to be that it changed exactly when Alyssa Milano spoke up. It's could she did, but it would have been better if she did it sooner. I would think that she could have had even more influence if it had been done at the peak of her career.

Not sure why it took Harvey Weinstein to be the catalyst. Who was the first to accuse him anyway? I guess she is the woman who is most deserving of thanks.
12-16-2017 , 08:44 PM
The underlying changes are gradual over many years. No-one ever knows which particular event will cause the rotting house to collapse. If Weinstein hadn't existed it would have been something else at some point.

I conjecture the new factor of the internet has changed everything in society/politics quite dramatically. But feminism has had a huge more gradual role as well.

      
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