Louis ck admits its true

Not sure. I assume all this happened in California. Maybe some California criminal lawyer knows.

His apology, as far as public apologies go, was really good.

Is this irony? Because if you believe that apology, I know this great Nigerian prince who just needs some quick help with a deposit.

I mean, maybe I missed something, but he outright admitted that he used his position of influence to coerce women into allowing him to do this ****. I hope we never see him in the public eye again, but that was as good of an apology as I've seen from a celebrity.

Just two months ago this was all just a bunch of rumors:

I wonder how much he and his people are regretting the "I love you, Daddy" movie? Kind of ****ing blows my mind he thought he would get away with stuff so much that he felt comfortable enough to make a movie like that. I hope all these sick ****s that have gone unnamed are sweating any time they get an email or a phone call.

Did he actually apologize? Or did he just explain it and admit it, which is still more than usually happens.

Nope, he said he regretted his actions and now sees that they're wrong but never says he's sorry or apologizes.

Nothing he did was actually criminal behavior. Inappropriate, and I'm sure could be fired, but he's a comedian. He doesn't have a boss. His boss are the fans that pay to see him, and he could sell out next weekend if wants.

You're wrong. About every piece of this.

Which part?

He never explicitly says "I'm sorry" or "I apologize" but his statement is pretty strong, if anything a direct apology is left out because it would seem too weak as if he's just trying to brush everything under the rug.

Yeah. It's fine to be skeptical about his sincerity, but I don't have much problem with the wording of his statement.

He sure does use the word admiration a lot. Nearly always in reference to himself.

Not a good look imo

I was neither impressed nor outraged by his apology, imo. Neither here nor there.

Replying here because I'd be curious what you think of his take that gathering consent from women isn't so much an honest question as a predicament for them in light of our recent conversation.

Note of course I am sandbagging a little bit, that was exactly my point about why notions of consent are not clear cut and so waiting for women to object is giving far much leeway for inappropriate work conduct. "Asking first" makes a lot of sense in a lot of situations, and obviously showing your dick isn't equal to asking someone on a date but the dynamics are the same, even in relative ~equal power dynamics. The women gets a bunch of bad choices, the best of which is saying 'no' and being seen as frigid and making a situation uncomfortable.

These are legitimate points. I think the problems you're referring to are better and more widely solved by reforming male attitudes to sex and male-female interaction generally than by imposing rule-based restrictions which don't address the underlying problem. Though I suppose there's no reason someone couldn't favour both approaches simultaneously, but I sort of assume the kind of rules you're imagining would evaporate once male attitudes adjusted.

Obviously if men were better none of this would be necessary.

And attitudes and cultures are fluid, and men are improvable. The baby and the bathwater are in fact separable.

You have to be some kind of introvert or narcissist to think just flat out asking someone to watch you masterbate is ever a good idea. Asking for consent isn’t a blank check for abhorrent behavior, learn to read a room ffs.

Seriously. Unless you're in a S&M club or something that's psychotic. I think most women probably know how to handle it if you lean in for a kiss at the end of a date that went well or if you ask them out for coffee even if you work together, but if you ask them to watch you masturbate they're probably wondering what the sick **** is going to do if they say no.

Yeah prob a poor choice of words... think he was trying to say that he took advantage specifically of people who looked up to him because of his talent/fame/success. Which is likely true, they probably did look up to him.

He does gloss over the whole masturbation bit though, by reading his statement it sounds like he just flashed the women (still weird, but a far cry from getting completely naked and jerking off until you ejaculate while they watch).

Anyway as a female comedy writer on Twitter aptly said, "If a woman wants to see your penis she will tell you".

This got posted in some other thread a few days back, but here's noted alt-righter Mike Cernovich in an article entitled When In Doubt, Whip It Out in which he brags about getting laid after pulling his dick out and masturbating in some woman's car. Seriously.

I assume that I agree with the spirit of this post, but since when do introverts think that asking someone to watch them masturbate is a good idea?